I Got A Message From Eric Musco??

Considering that they haven't listened to a thing the players wanted, and this is the state of the game, just how worse do you think listening to their customers could've made things?

I really don't get it. Why are other companies, including the guys behind rift and gw2, always ready to engage in detailed conversations with their players? Only you guys at Bioware seem to behave like the NSA, with such a layer of obfuscation and secrecy over everything? Why CAN'T you guys tell us about future plans, even if you have to also warn us some plans are not set in stone?

It's a really strange and unhealthy dynamic that's been created here, and definitely part of the downward spiral.

That's a total fallacy. Have you been to the suggestion forum? How many of those threads have been acted upon?

We're so limited that we can't even send out bulk guild mail. We're constrained and artificially prevented from helping our guilds by 1980's era lockout timers on Operations. I do stuff with my guild EVERY MOMENT I'm online...but we can't even organize or sign up while we're playing, it needs to be organized offline. My guild message window can't even be re-sized to show our TS/Vent and Mumble info, so we're forced to use abbreviations that only a few people can understand. The freaking pre-launch guild organization was a MILLION times better than what we have now...they've stepped BACK from that. In order to move servers, I couldn't even send out an email blast to all the people who had quit...hell, I was forced to disband the guild even in order to get a guild bank back, like I'd abuse it or something on a dead server...

Don't blame US for the state of the game. We're the ones who have kept playing and paying, hoping things would improve. We're the ones who WANT this game to succeed!!!

The industry is welcome to go do what they want...Bioware did with space...how has that turned out for them?

Pandering to popular opinion isn't always the best move, but delivering things your customers ask for, is! We don't ask for things just to make the developers work harder, we ask because we have a reason to! We know why people have quit, we've heard the rants in guild chat, we've read the goodbye posts, we're the ones who want this game to THRIVE, not die. If someone takes the time to craft a well written post, or even a poorly written rant, it's worth reading because they may be right. Don't be so quick to dismiss opinions...remain open minded...the developers aren't perfect, nor did any of us expect their game to be.

Really? You think they made a clone of That Other Game by accident? No. They made it because the only opinion a business cares about, "Where do we spend our money?", told them we want a clone of That Other Game.

This game was designed as is to intentionally meet the customers' demands that MMOs be simple, fast, and solo. If you make an MMO on that criteria, using the current MMO template of an Everquest-clone, you get That Game. TOR is exactly the game that people were claiming to want, now they have it and are blaming evil EA/Bioware for giving it to them.

If this game was even half a clone of That Other Game, it would be hundreds of times better than what we have now. It would have had a functioning guild bank at launch, and a functioning LFG tool at launch, and warzone groupings that didn't force you to dissolve the group before re-queuing, and mini-games to occupy players' time when they can't (or don't want to) raid, and...

I'm sure you get the picture, but you'll continue to deny facts. There wasn't a massive outcry from The Customers who were demanding a WoW with lightsabres. In fact, it was just the opposite. They didn't want a WoW clone. They wanted what was promised: an MMO that was innovative, where choices mattered, and worlds that were "four to five times the size of WoW zones." Instead, we got an abomination of a copy of that game; all the bad parts and none of the good.

They didn't listen to us. They listened to the voices in their heads that told them they weren't just game developers, they were rockstars! Why, the fact that customers were eagerly awaiting their next announcement with bated breath and backsides on the edges of their seats was proof of that! Ignore those people over there who are saying the customers were actually waiting for word about anything. They clearly know nothing about what players want despite the fact that they're actual players. No, the people obviously wanted to be continuously teased with "soon," and "we can't talk about that yet," and "we have plans for the future, but not sure when," and (the players' favourite!) "we have this Wall of Crazy."

I'm going to be blunt. If you are correct and they deliberately tried to make a clone of That Other Game because that's what we supposedly want, then they not only failed miserably, but every single one of them deserves to be let go and never allowed to work on another game (especially an MMO) again. They clearly have no clue as to what they are doing.

You are illustrating my point.

In your first paragraph you are saying how TOR would be better if only it were more like WoW. In the second you are saying you don't want a WoW clone. Well which is it?

I said... people were claiming to not want a WoW clone, but 90% of the posts on this board are whiney complaints that "ranked cross-server warzone LFG tool blah blah blahs should be exactly like they were in WoW or I un-sub!!!". There are very few posts that ever support making the game LESS like WoW. So yes, I stand by my opinion that people on this board are a bunch of whiney hypocrits who wouldn't know irony if it ran them over.

Looking at what came from that guild summit, it's obvious they had mostly hard core guilds represented.

You are illustrating my point.

In your first paragraph you are saying how TOR would be better if only it were more like WoW. In the second you are saying you don't want a WoW clone. Well which is it?

I said... people were claiming to not want a WoW clone, but 90% of the posts on this board are whiney complaints that "ranked cross-server warzone LFG tool blah blah blahs should be exactly like they were in WoW or I un-sub!!!". There are very few posts that ever support making the game LESS like WoW. So yes, I stand by my opinion that people on this board are a bunch of whiney hypocrits who wouldn't know irony if it ran them over.