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Briq
08.07.2012 , 12:30 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
They could pay US!!!! That'd probably work huh?!

I agree with you though. They've had 8 months to fix the smallest of issues and they've done nothing. We have LESS PvP content today than we did 8 months ago.
I wouldn't say they've done NOTHING... they've closed plenty of threads!

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DarthTHC
08.07.2012 , 12:37 PM | #72
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Whats going to happen once the F2P has been around for 3-4 months and the servers drop down to heavy and standard? What else could they possible do to add more players?
They don't need PLAYERS. They need REVENUE. There's a subtle but important difference that leads us directly to the answer: Third-party advertising in the launcher at first and eventually in the game itself.

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GalacticKegger
08.07.2012 , 12:56 PM | #73
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And "you can have whatever appearance you like because every green item has a matching orange version."
Assumption ... Just because one hasn't seen them all doesn't mean they don't exist.
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And "choices will have consequences."
They do for one's character.
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And "be the hero of your personal Star Wars saga."
I feel my characters are to an extent that I find acceptable in an MMO. I'm not so caught up in my own little world that I would my characters' class stories to be completely unique to everyone else's. The HAL9000 required to run something of that magnitude doesn't exist yet.
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And "walking the path between the Light Side and the Dark Side will have its own rewards."
Light side/dark side vendors for starters.
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And "forget everything you think you know about MMOs, because the fans will let you know when you're wrong."
Yep. I guess throwing grenades through Bioware's storefront window and mauling their customers qualifies. Though that tends to attract police.
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And "our zones are huge. Alderaan alone is bigger than four WoW zones."
Depends on the WoW zones I guess.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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GalacticKegger
08.07.2012 , 01:05 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
They failed to deliever any viable RvR, then removed what was left.
If the game was based on that, then it would have been the catastrophe you have alluded to. But it's not so it wasn't.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Kharnis
08.07.2012 , 01:07 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Assumption ... Just because one hasn't seen them all doesn't mean they don't exist.
They don't exist. Anywhere. There's enough datamined information to let us know this.

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They do for one's character
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No, they don't. Nothing about the story is changed depending on your "choices."

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I feel my characters are to an extent that I find acceptable in MMOs. I'm not so caught up in my own world so as to believe that my characters' class stories should be completely unique to everyone else's. The HAL9000 required to run something of that magnitude doesn't exist yet.
The fact that your story is exactly the same as my story is the very definition of "not personal."

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Light side/dark side vendors for starters.
And the Grey vendors are located...?

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Yep. I guess throwing grenades through Bioware's storefront window and mauling their customers qualifies. Though that tends to attract police.
Or (and this is a whacky thought, I know), they could listen to and act on the customers' feedback, like they claimed they supposedly do.

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Depends on the WoW zones I guess.
If the Bioware devs have to resort to semantics and misdirection, then that is all that needs to be said for how truthful and honest they are. And if that is what the defenders of Bioware have to resort to, then that is all that needs to be said for how desperate they are.
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GalacticKegger
08.07.2012 , 01:51 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Kharnis View Post
They don't exist. Anywhere. There's enough datamined information to let us know this."
The same datamining that produces server population numbers? Since Bioware does not allow API access to their data to be mined (other than the combat logs), those are just best guesses.
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No, they don't. Nothing about the story is changed depending on your "choices."
NPCs live, NPCs die, and some NPCs who are spared come back with class story relevance like the Sith Warrior's Lord Rathari. (Sorry ... no spoilers here.)
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The fact that your story is exactly the same as my story is the very definition of "not personal."
If I'm looking for an experience that personal, video games wouldn't make the list of places I'd look for it.
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And the Grey vendors are located...?
Dark Side / Light Side vendors in fleet. They sell orange custom and rare blue equipment items and relics whose levels unlock based on character and Dark Side / Light Side levels.
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Or (and this is a whacky thought, I know), they could listen to and act on the customers' feedback, like they claimed they supposedly do..
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.1's ability delay fix.
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.2's customizable UI (they hit a home run with this one.)
  • Bioware listens: Orange custom gear whose use was extended through level 50 HMs.
  • Bioware listens: They sucked it up, made the PR-sensitive choice to consolidate servers and now server populations are thriving because of it
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.3's Groupfinder
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.3's RWZs
  • Bioware fixes stuff.
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If the Bioware devs have to resort to semantics and misdirection, then that is all that needs to be said for how truthful and honest they are. And if that is what the defenders of Bioware have to resort to, then that is all that needs to be said for how desperate they are.
If I felt that way when I first woke up every morning I might be hurting for some payback too.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Gokkus
08.07.2012 , 03:33 PM | #77
In decline? I was just on tatooine in instance 2. That has never happened to me before on that planet. Fleet had 250+ people and I never found WZ matches and FP groups this quick before. So unless Tuesday suddenly became primetime, methinks there is no decline atm.
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Kharnis
08.07.2012 , 03:49 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
The same datamining that produces server population numbers? Since Bioware does not allow API access to their data to be mined (other than the combat logs), those are just best guesses.
No. The same datamining that produces the actual items in the game. You know. Like lightsabre crystals? Or gear?

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NPCs live, NPCs die, and some NPCs who are spared come back with class story relevance like the Sith Warrior's Lord Rathari. (Sorry ... no spoilers here.)
And that changes the story itself...how?

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If I'm looking for an experience that personal, video games wouldn't make the list of places I'd look for it.
Then I guess they shouldn't have made the claim that the story is personal, eh?

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Dark Side / Light Side vendors in fleet. They sell orange custom and rare blue equipment items and relics whose levels unlock based on character and Dark Side / Light Side levels.
And again. The GREY vendors are located...?

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  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.1's ability delay fix.
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.2's customizable UI (they hit a home run with this one.)
  • Bioware listens: Orange custom gear whose use was extended through level 50 HMs.
  • Bioware listens: They sucked it up, made the PR-sensitive choice to consolidate servers and now server populations are thriving because of it
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.3's Groupfinder
  • Bioware listens: Patch 1.3's RWZs
  • Bioware fixes stuff.
Now. What about :
  • Togruta/Nautolan/Kel Dor/insert some other species choice here
  • Purple/white crystals
  • Full customisation for gear
  • GREY JEDI/SITH VENDORS (just in case you still think I'm talking about Light Side/Dark Side vendors, I put it in capitals for you)
  • Gear for Consulars/Inquisitors that aren't skirts
  • Mouse over targetting
  • Day/night and weather cycles
  • Gear that wasn't inspired by WoW (ie. the huge shoulders and ridiculous attachments to the gear)
  • Vibrostaves that can be used by Consulars and Inquisitors
  • SGRAs
  • Chat bubbles
  • Ability to sit in chairs
  • Mini-games like pazaak

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If I felt that way when I first woke up every morning I might be hurting for some payback too.
Oh look. A snide, passive-aggressive response. Because that, in no way, is something that is common by the people in this forum. How original of you.
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Goretzu
08.07.2012 , 04:13 PM | #79
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If the game was based on that, then it would have been the catastrophe you have alluded to. But it's not so it wasn't.
What the game is "based on", whatever that may mean, is irrelevent.

They actively sold the game on RvR, but didn't deliver any.

If a manufactuer says a car has a speedometer before selling it......... it probably should have a speedometer when you buy it.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Nnekk
08.07.2012 , 04:17 PM | #80
The sky is falling!

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