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Legacy Perk Requirements Reduced

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Legacy Perk Requirements Reduced

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DarthTHC
08.07.2012 , 11:50 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Capt_Beers View Post
Don't know if anyone posted this yet (don't have time to read the whole thread) but I didn't see anything about a decrease in credit costs. If I understood the FAQ correctly F2Pers will have a credit limit so they may not be able to even get enough credits to purchase the more expensive legacy items.

As for the decrease in levels and 'grinding out' your legacy level I haven't even noticed a grind for it. It's been kind of an after thought for me. I think my legacy level is somewhere around 25. As it stands I believe that means I can unlock everything but please correct me if I'm wrong isn't there usually 2 requirements for the legacy items? The ones I'm thinking of are given for free at certain social, valor or alignment levels and are purchasable at a certain legacy level. so it would seem that the best way to unlock them is by raising those levels as opposed to your legacy level. Like I said please correct me if that is wrong but legacy level just doesn't seem that important to me.
You're right. No reduction in credit cost.

You're also right that YOU didn't have to grind. You're a core player, you've been here a while, you have 8 character slots and probably several alts, at least a couple at level 50.

Now flip that around and think about the casual F2P player who has 2 character slots. Getting to the high legacy levels required to purchase those perks would be tough to impossible. But with the reduced perks, eminently do-able. (These are the perks that require both legacy level and credits to unlock.)

Oh, but they don't have the credits to buy the perks, you say? Correct, sir, they do not and cannot due to their F2P limitations! But once they can buy the perks with credits OR CARTEL COINS they're set, right?!

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Urael
08.07.2012 , 11:59 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Rafaman View Post
lol! This is just getting comical. So.... this is all part of the grand conspiracy. It is another tell tale sign of how BW is trying to make you play a game you don't want to play while EA plans total world domination by December... Yup, just another tell tale sign of how the f2p option is ruining the game.... ROLF!

I'm Legacy Level 41. This means nothing to me. Nothing either way. So they are allowing lower levs to use more legacy perks. Cool. I'm not impacted, and I have no issue because I have been using legacy perks quite liberally and with great effect. Cool.

But what would the tinfoil-hat army have said if the legacy perk requirements had gone up? Oh yea... the same thing. lol! What would they have said if they scrapped legacy altogether? The same thing. And what would they have said if the changed SWTOR startup screen graphic? The same thing.

Same old, same old.
Yes yes ... use pajoratives liberally ... that shows how superior you are.

Once again you missed the point.

The point is that the whole game is being dumbed down so much that there is no longer a sense of accomplishement for ACHIEVING a goal. There is nothing to achieve, no goal to reach by actually "playing" the game that will seemingly not be beyond the reach to "purchase". Even if you don't have a B2W cash store, if you put all the grind things in the store then you take any meaning away from playing the game. This in turn will actually increase churn. This game is already too easy as it is. This makes it even more forgetable. Less time playing a character means the player is less experienced playing their character. MMORPGS used to have steep learning curves (which in and of itself was part of the game within the game) now everything is handed to you. That is FACT and not "tin foil hat" matterial. The reason is that games are NO LONGER for GAMERS .... they are "just entertainment" for the average consumer. There is a difference. Companies need to find a way to cater to both types of customers; the gamers who gave them the industry in the first place and the "new" consumer customer main stream that "fancies" themselves as gamers ( back in the day we used to call them POSERS ).

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Urael
08.07.2012 , 12:49 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
You're right. No reduction in credit cost.

You're also right that YOU didn't have to grind. You're a core player, you've been here a while, you have 8 character slots and probably several alts, at least a couple at level 50.

Now flip that around and think about the casual F2P player who has 2 character slots. Getting to the high legacy levels required to purchase those perks would be tough to impossible. But with the reduced perks, eminently do-able. (These are the perks that require both legacy level and credits to unlock.)

Oh, but they don't have the credits to buy the perks, you say? Correct, sir, they do not and cannot due to their F2P limitations! But once they can buy the perks with credits OR CARTEL COINS they're set, right?!
Hush you or you will be accused of wearing a tin foil hat ( er again).

I think Celebrus said it best in another thread:

Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
Everything you contribute going forward goes towards proving to EA's investors that F2P means "Free to pay" and not "free to play."

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NoFishing
08.07.2012 , 01:57 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Drudenfusz View Post
Hope they will add one day stuff for high legacy levels, so that people have actually something to look for in the long run.
I agree, my legacy level is 48. Unfortunately, the level 50 perk will probably have 3 levels, costing 10,000,000, 20,000,000, and 50,000,000 credits. Or be purchasable for the low low price of $99.98.

Outrageous legacy perk costs FTL!!

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ripster
08.07.2012 , 02:03 PM | #85
This only has as much to do with F2P as the reason they are going F2P. They want to keep the non-hardcore crowd and they no doubt have enough feedback/statistics to realize one of their big selling points, Legacy, isn't even usable by most people, especially the perks for alts. I've been here since early access and I think I might have hit Legacy level 12. It's not like I've ever complained but if they've lowered the requirements then they've just added something to my enjoyment of the game that they didn't even have to add.

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DarthTHC
08.07.2012 , 02:04 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by ripster View Post
This only has as much to do with F2P as the reason they are going F2P. They want to keep the non-hardcore crowd and they no doubt have enough feedback/statistics to realize one of their big selling points, Legacy, isn't even usable by most people, especially the perks for alts. I've been here since early access and I think I might have hit Legacy level 12. It's not like I've ever complained but if they've lowered the requirements then they've just added something to my enjoyment of the game that they didn't even have to add.
As that casual a player, can you afford the millions of credits that the perks cost on top of the legacy level entry requirement?

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Xevryn
08.07.2012 , 02:07 PM | #87
I've been legacy 50 for 2 months now.....when are they going to reward those of us who are truly dedicated players? Instead of adding more perks for those of us who have earned them, they make it easier for eveyone else to get the stuff we worked hard for. Seriously getting tired of this.

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jackofrost
08.07.2012 , 02:09 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Glower View Post
Super-casual players? Are u kidding?

I copy my post:

Guys. About this EXP level "nerf".



I have:
50lvl noob
43lvl
31lvl
30lvl
30lvl
22lvl
20lvl
4lvl

on one server. And my legacy still at fken 17 lvl! THIS IS REALLY RIGHT CHaNGES! I swear u!
I have:
50
45
22
29
25
16
26

And am legacy level 31. Character levels don't necessarily reflect legacy levels...

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Rikalonius
08.07.2012 , 02:09 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Xevryn View Post
I've been legacy 50 for 2 months now.....when are they going to reward those of us who are truly dedicated players? Instead of adding more perks for those of us who have earned them, they make it easier for eveyone else to get the stuff we worked hard for. Seriously getting tired of this.
Legacy 44 here, and I learned a long time ago that Legacy is a joke. Super low Legacy unlocks that cost tons of money. This is the problem I have with a number of games, the constant desire to get one more new sub and new box sale is more important than rewarding your long-time veteran players (well, as long as this game has been out, which is not long LOL). They could do both, but they don't, and that's why the mass exodus.

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LukeSaberRattler
08.07.2012 , 02:20 PM | #90
I would much rather they lowered the credit cost for the perks. I have been playing since launch and I would fit into the casual crowd I have 6 toons now and I am at legacy 24. Gaining Legacy isn't to hard but having the credits to buy perks for all my toons is hard. Getting the global perks is almost impossible I will never have 5 million to spend on a GTN terminal for my ships. I make enough money to keep my toons in good gear and that is about it.