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GalacticKegger
08.07.2012 , 09:45 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Yeah, but you can't just whip out a new Star Wars MMORPG. If you're lucky another one will be along in another decade or so.
See, that's the beauty of this being an MMO. No one is getting sick on the game inside the game - only here in the forums. Logging in to play the game is that new cake I'm whipping out.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Valkirus
08.07.2012 , 09:46 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
I like chocolate and I LOVE chocolate cake. But if there is nothing chocolatey available to eat, then I'm fine with that. Eventually there will be chocolate cake, so I will simply look forward to it and grab another snack to satisfy my sweet tooth. Not imploding because there's no chocolate to eat doesn't mean I don't like chocolate. But it does mean that "I want it and I want it now" plays an insignificant role in my thought process.
Not sure how long you have followed this game or how much of the thousands of prelaunch videos, interviews and developer's notes you checked out before you bought the game....but for many...they do feel like they were mislead by the hype BioWare created for the game. And it has fallen waay short of those expectations. I will give you a couple examples....

they said during one of thier videos back before launch, a player's choices in the class story would have real impact on the outcome of that story..ether for the good or bad. Truth is...part from dark side, light side points and companion affection...your choices really make no difference and the outcome will end up being the same no matter what. And let's say you want to not have the Sith corruption from your dark side choices...why, you can even turn that off..:P

Another is crafting, they said it would be less powerful and complicated than SWG was, but better than what WoW's offers. Which is not true. WoW's better..and not by a small amount, but a lot imo. I leveled my Jedi Couselor to 50, had all my crafting levels to 400 ( which is super easy to do ) and all of his gear at the time he reached level 50 was better than what he could craft. And he has never ran any OP;s..only one level 50 FP and no PvP at all. You do that in WoW and by the time you reach your max level, you will have several crafted items from ether your own professions or from others off the AH. My 50 Jedi Counselor had better gear from quests, dailies, rep npc's, tokens, etc. than was even on the GTN by crafters.
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Goretzu
08.07.2012 , 09:49 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
See, that's the beauty of this being an MMO. No one is getting sick on the game inside the game - only here in the forums. Logging in to play the game is that new cake I'm whipping out.
That's not true, or I'd still be playing with the 30 people I came to SWTOR with, as oppsed to 0 of them (never mind the 24% retention rate).

And again if you do care about the game then it being in trouble will eventually degrade (and possibly terminate) your in game experience.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Kharnis
08.07.2012 , 09:51 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
I like chocolate and I LOVE chocolate cake. But if there is nothing chocolatey available to eat, then I'm fine with that. Eventually chocolate cakedom will happen, so I will simply look forward to it and grab another snack to satisfy my sweet tooth. Not imploding because there's no chocolate to eat doesn't mean I don't like chocolate. What it does mean is that "I want it and I want it now" plays an insignificant role in my thought process.
If there weren't chocolate cake at all, that would be one thing. But they promised us chocolate cake. We came expecting chocolate cake. We eagerly awaited the chocolate cake to be cut up and served to us. And when they finally came out with the cake...

It turned out to be carob.
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GalacticKegger
08.07.2012 , 09:55 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Not sure how long you have followed this game or how much of the thousands of prelaunch videos, interviews and developer's notes you checked out before you bought the game....but for many...they do feel like they were mislead by the hype BioWare created for the game. And it has fallen waay short of those expectations. I will give you a couple examples....

they said during one of thier videos back before launch, a player's choices in the class story would have real impact on the outcome of that story..ether for the good or bad. Truth is...part from dark side, light side points and companion affection...your choices really make no difference and the outcome will end up being the same no matter what. And let's say you want to not have the Sith corruption from your dark side choices...why, you can even turn that off..:P

Another is crafting, they said it would be less powerful and complicated than SWG was, but better than what WoW's offers. Which is not true. WoW's better..and not by a small amount, but a lot imo. I leveled my Jedi Couselor to 50, had all my crafting levels to 400 ( which is super easy to do ) and all of his gear at the time he reached level 50 was better than what he could craft. And he has never ran any OP;s..only one level 50 FP and no PvP at all. You do that in WoW and by the time you reach your max level, you will have several crafted items from ether your own professions or from others off the AH. My 50 Jedi Counselor had better gear from quests, dailies, rep npc's, tokens, etc. than was even on the GTN by crafters.
I have a private blog. I was following this game's press quite a bit and got the call to assist in testing. This is what I explored before any specific information was released: http://galactickegger.com/blog/swtor...atch-the-hype/.

They weren't expectations because I've been playing video games since before commercial PCs existed. While I can't consider myself an expert as I've never designed one, I can consider myself as someone who's been around the block often enough to not overreact to pub. Did the game fulfill my every hope? Not even close. But I'm not holding out for the game that does ... I won't live long enough to see it. I doubt anyone will.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Skirata_Kal
08.07.2012 , 10:01 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Bethmora View Post
"The server numbers are once again in sharp decline,"

Proofs in the pudding, where is it?

I play every night 4pm start and we always have 3 fleets with 2 over 200 players and the 3rd 100 or so. How are we in a decline?

Oh, im on POT5
2 million copies sold, 1.7 million subs, then 1.3 million subs, and most recently on investor call "less than a million but well over half a million" (so I'm saying 600k-800k). Now the merges have had the effect of server numbers temporarily going up, but if the sub trend continues it make sense that the server numbers would be getting there as well.

There's no way to put a positive spin on losing more than half your initial players and going f2p less than a year after release (especially when they were initially, strongly denying any plans to do so). Remember, only 40% said it was the subscription that was their issue. Initially the story was that 40% left the game due to the subscription and that MANY of them (vague term there) would play every day if it were free. Now the story is that 40% left due to the sub and ALL of them would play every day if it were free. Changing the story like that effects credibility.

Look, I'm not a hater. I still like the game and hope they turn it around, but facts are facts and the virtual silence from the devs is not helping perceptions here. It ain't easy being optimistic here. Yes, some of the doom-sayers are overboard, but so are many of the fanbois.
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Valkirus
08.07.2012 , 10:06 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
I have a private blog. I was following this game's press quite a bit and got the call to assist in testing. This is what I was hoping for before any specific information was released: http://galactickegger.com/blog/swtor...atch-the-hype/.

They weren't expectations because I've been playing video games since before commercial PCs existed. While I can't consider myself an expert as I've never designed one, I can consider myself as someone who's been around the block often enough to not overreact to pub. Did the game fulfill my every hope? Not even close. But I'm not holding out for the game that does ... I won't live long enough to see it. I doubt anyone will.
Cool. Then you should understand how many feel about this game from the results of the "hype BioWare created". I have several games which I have played in the past which have lived up the hype the developer's created. To name some from BioWare..Mass Effect 1 and 2. Dragon Age. KOTOR. Baldur's Gate. Great games which lived up to the hype. TOR however is a bit like any hype a company builds up for a product and then fails to deliver. Customers remember.
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BrunoLogan
08.07.2012 , 10:09 AM | #58
As I already said today on other thread, the lack of communication is disappointing.
Why so much secrecy! This is getting stupid and disrespectful!
I play since early access, I never stopped my subscription and since then I've been tolerant, defending the game and the devs but now it's getting ridiculous! If they think telling that the game getting F2P are news, they can shove those news somewhere else. The only thing they'll achieve with their current attitude is getting people mad and making people go away from the game! BW, you are being really really stupid! For the first time I'm thinking of unsubing... patience has its limits and BW is crossing them...

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GalacticKegger
08.07.2012 , 10:10 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirata_Kal View Post
Look, I'm not a hater. I still like the game and hope they turn it around, but facts are facts and the virtual silence from the devs is not helping perceptions here. It ain't easy being optimistic here. Yes, some of the doom-sayers are overboard, but so are many of the fanbois.
QFT. Most are middle of the road - myself included. Some will pay to see the evolution firsthand (good or bad) and some won't. I find the game fun enough now to merit paying 50¢ a day. And I do agreed with your sentiment that the community's perception of Bioware would benefit greatly from influencial interaction that had more substance.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Goretzu
08.07.2012 , 10:13 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Did the game fulfill my every hope? Not even close. But I'm not holding out for the game that does ... I won't live long enough to see it. I doubt anyone will.
I dunno, I've seen a few of my "well this game is great, but it would be REALLY great if they did x, y and z as well" moments pan out.

Going back to the early 80's..... although some of them have taken 10+ year to occur.

Of course there have been more "Argh! why didn't they just do a, b and c!!!" moments.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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