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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option

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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option
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PawnGrabber
08.01.2012 , 07:16 AM | #471
Dear Bioware,
I am not knowledgeable on the subject nor qualified to comment on whether or not free-to-play is a good business decision for you. If it is a good business decision, I wish you all the best, may you prosper with Star Wars: The Old Republic. If this is an act of desperation in order to save Star Wars; analogous to one last breath before crashing into a swallowing wave, then I am obligated to admit that I have depressingly and violently considered leaving Star Wars every moment since free-to-play was announced. I am unable to find any distinguishable reason why every player should not convert to free-to-play this fall. As far as I am concerned, aside from minor limitations, operations are the only tangible reason to maintain a subscription and I regret to announce that I refuse to pay $15 U.S. dollars per month for operations. I have been a customer with Bioware since Mass Effect and Dragon Age were released. This is not by any means the full duration of Bioware's life, but I have supported the company through its successes such as those releases, and its failures, such as the sequels to those releases. My support for you will not wane in the future but has a breaking point that I hope I never reach. The free-to-play option may have proven successful for other video game companies but that in no way guarantees that it will do so here; almost certainly not in the hearts and minds of loyal players like me. I'm going to miss Star Wars: The Old Republic should I ultimately choose to walk away; although I have only become acquainted with it for a few months. I hope that instead of pushing me away, you will give me a new hope; a reason to stay. I wish you the best of luck.
Sincerely,
Roycegracie - Jedi Covenant / Republic
George - New York City

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Erudain
08.01.2012 , 07:26 AM | #472
Would be cool to get some clarification on what will be available at the cash shop so you can decide to continue to sub, go f2p, or abandon the game defenitely.
If a paying sub has access to the full game, I don't want to see p2w items that you also need to purchase.

Non game breaking stuff that would be cool to put at the cash shop:
- Paid character transfers.
- Paid rename.
- Paid race change/face change.
- weapons/armos skins (no stats), vanity items, ship decorations, speeders, etc..
- vanity pets, dances, emotions, etc.
- Warzones/Flashpoint/Operation packages for F2P players.
- Character slots, creation options, bank space, etc for F2P players
- Inc exp game/drop rate for X ammount of time.

Stuff I don't want to see in the cash shop and will make me stop playing:
- Paid advanced class respect (so ppl won't switch to the FotM class every time they want)
- Better items than the ones you get in game (i.e. 250% speeder with no chance to dismount, better ship upgrades, etc)
- Vanity items/costumes with stats (Polar Bear costume +50 all stats + 500hp + 3% atk speed for 30days...have to renew it each month)
- Crafting materials
- Cash shop only companions (new R2-D2 companion tank+heals+dps)
- Cash shop only stats buffs.... +500 expertice amulet for 30days, +5k HP scroll for 2 hours. +500 power/surge/alacrity scroll for 2 hours, etc.
- Endgame PVE/P weapons/armors....grind that Rakata/War Hero set like we all did.

So if I pay a sub, I can use the cartel coins to buy a cool looking armor skin, or to change my human jedi to a zabrak, sutff like that......not paying USD 15 each month for full game access, but besides that having to pay USD 7 each month for a + stats costume + USD 5 each month for a expertice buff + USD 1 for each stat scroll just to be able to compite in a RWZ

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wolfmith
08.01.2012 , 07:29 AM | #473
What the hell do you mean by "boosts" ?!?! The hole program seemed good to me until I read that single word. Vanity items, yeah, I'm totally cool with that, unbalance the game in any way with "boosts" and I'm out. Try not to screw this up please, you've already done enough damage to "the most anticipated game ever"
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al-mar
08.01.2012 , 07:30 AM | #474
Quote: Originally Posted by Erudain View Post
Would be cool to get some clarification on what will be available at the cash shop so you can decide to continue to sub, go f2p, or abandon the game defenitely.
If a paying sub has access to the full game, I don't want to see p2w items that you also need to purchase.

Non game breaking stuff that would be cool to put at the cash shop:
- Paid character transfers.
- Paid rename.
- Paid race change/face change.
- weapons/armos skins (no stats), vanity items, ship decorations, speeders, etc..
- vanity pets, dances, emotions, etc.
- Warzones/Flashpoint/Operation packages for F2P players.
- Character slots, creation options, bank space, etc for F2P players
- Inc exp game/drop rate for X ammount of time.

Stuff I don't want to see in the cash shop and will make me stop playing:
- Paid advanced class respect (so ppl won't switch to the FotM class every time they want)
- Better items than the ones you get in game (i.e. 250% speeder with no chance to dismount, better ship upgrades, etc)
- Vanity items/costumes with stats (Polar Bear costume +50 all stats + 500hp + 3% atk speed for 30days...have to renew it each month)
- Crafting materials
- Cash shop only companions (new R2-D2 companion tank+heals+dps)
- Cash shop only stats buffs.... +500 expertice amulet for 30days, +5k HP scroll for 2 hours. +500 power/surge/alacrity scroll for 2 hours, etc.
- Endgame PVE/P weapons/armors....grind that Rakata/War Hero set like we all did.

So if I pay a sub, I can use the cartel coins to buy a cool looking armor skin, or to change my human jedi to a zabrak, sutff like that......not paying USD 15 each month for full game access, but besides that having to pay USD 7 each month for a + stats costume + USD 5 each month for a expertice buff + USD 1 for each stat scroll just to be able to compite in a RWZ
100% agree

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Grammarye
08.01.2012 , 07:31 AM | #475
Quote: Originally Posted by deags View Post
as I play the game very casually most of the limits of the F2P option wouldn't bother me however I do want to raid.
Therefore i will need to keep paying a sub but this is the only reason i would, so am i willing to pay $15 a month just so i can raid once or twice a week for a few hours?

the answer is probably not and I really hope bioware thinks about players like myself (the casual raider) that they will annoy with the currently planned system.

I believe they either need to allow F2P players a way to gain access to Operations (possibly a one time micro-transaction) or they will have to reduce the sub price to a justifiable level as the game will soon become 90% free and I'm not paying $15 a month for the other 10%.
Your post is not logical. You were paying that subscription before F2P came along (or you weren't playing the game at all and thus the argument is moot anyway). Ergo, the game was good enough for you to do that. What you're actually saying is that you'd like the same content as before, but for less money. Fine, but just say that.

Put another way, clearly you were prepared to raid casually for that subscription price beforehand - what's changed now? Other people can access other bits of the game for free? Is that a big deal? Apparently so.

On the plus side, this confirms that there are actually people out there who fall into the bracket of 'I'd play the game but it's too expensive' because most of the time we hear 'I'd play the game, but it's awful/laggy/looks bad/doesn't have what I want in an MMO'.
For 2000 Cartel Coins, a year-old game breaking bug may get fixed.
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Avrid
08.01.2012 , 07:31 AM | #476
Well ftp is probably a good idea. When Everquest 2 opened up freeport as a free to play server it actually quickly became one of the most populated servers, and for all the people who were raging about quitting when ftp came the game is still as healthy as before.

My other thought is , um we've heard the more updates sooner from BW before. As a matter a fact right before your last update 1.3 when you promised more updates in a more timely manner. Then you all apparently droped everything you were working on and started coding the ftp stuff.
BW why should we believe that you this time ?

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BJWyler
08.01.2012 , 07:35 AM | #477
I like this idea in that moving to F2P has helped many games of recent years enjoy a new lease on life. And looking at the current plan of roll-out here, it seems a pretty fair way of doing it. I for one had no plans on letting my sub expire, and this doesn't change those plans. If this brings in more new players, all the better. However, I do see some issues here.

In the article, Jeff mentions players that said they would come back if the game had no subscription fee. While that may be true for some, I currently do not see the max level players coming back just for that reason. One of the biggest complaints about SWTOR is the end game, which consists of the Operations. The F2P option does not grant access to Operations, so the Raider has no reason to come back just because of the F2P option. Many people unsubbed because of they felt the end game in SWTOR is lacking. Unless a lot more content is implemented for the end game (aside from one new Operation), there is nothing to draw those players back.

Also lacking is viable Open World high level PvP, which many would see as an alternative to the traditional end game Raiding mechanic. Again, like above, there is nothing to draw the elite or open world PvPer back into this game. For the move to F2P to be viable, high level and open world PvP must be implemented, outside of adding War Zones, and if necessary certain limits imposed on the F2P player as they will do with War Zones.

Moving to a complete F2P option may bring in many new players, but the key will be to keeping them and hopefully turning them into subscribers. The leveling game will keep them engaged without a doubt, but that's only until they hit level 50. Unless huge strides are made to the max level game, I only see this as short term solution ultimately.

BJ
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Aambed-khar
08.01.2012 , 07:38 AM | #478
Very interesting news. You have my attention (for new content) and my patience Bioware. I am a very happy subscriber and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
For me the $15 a month is not only an investment in a game I really enjoy, but a very very affordable form of entertainment. I spent $20 for a 2 hr movie last month, but paid you $15 and got 8 operation evenings with my guild, and many (maybe too many??) more hours of trading, flashpoints, warzones and some sweet space combat
Thanks again. Keep up the good work!

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Sareth
08.01.2012 , 07:43 AM | #479
I've never been more disappointed. I knew the game was most likely going to be F2P, but I would have rather you gone the way GW did.

I can see that my subscription money has been going to making limits for those who will be playing F2P;Not, as you say, expanding. Where's the S/S romance we've been promised since before launch?

Though, I will be keeping my subscription for now. I'm hoping that it will have a good outcome for the game, and that the game itself won't become worse as SWG did.
"Ah yes... 'Reapers'.."

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HarleysRule
08.01.2012 , 07:43 AM | #480
Quote: Originally Posted by wolfmith View Post
What the hell do you mean by "boosts" ?!?! The hole program seemed good to me until I read that single word. Vanity items, yeah, I'm totally cool with that, unbalance the game in any way with "boosts" and I'm out. Try not to screw this up please, you've already done enough damage to "the most anticipated game ever"
Probably XP boosts, maybe blue quality stims. Maybe legacy unlocks with cash.