Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer

Announcing a Free-to-Play Option

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > General Discussion
Announcing a Free-to-Play Option
First BioWare Post First BioWare Post

Britishbulldog's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:54 PM | #161
Quote: Originally Posted by ShallowBay View Post
No impact on gameplay? "Vanity" items are just as much gameplay items as anything else. Or are the social outfits currently in the game not actually real?
if you sub then everything should be available cartel coins items should drop in OPs then people would have a more of a reason to sub vanity items are a huge reason to play swtor. As soon as the Vanity item's become available they will look the best and all new armours will continue to look crap to swindle you to spend more on those items. boosts are for play to win in war zones and pike i think the majority of people know what that means for war zones and pvp severs.

free to play mmos. Now its soon to be free to play it will be 80-95% of the player base and in a resection only the rich will spend more then they need too lets hope there a plenty of them out there playing swtor.

I stopped my sub because I had no content left to play that I wanted to. Im now happy that I can now play the few little story lines left for free then move on since there is no real reason to pay for this game for a year or two if it lasts that long.

This and dragon age 2 (I still enjoyed mass effect 3 though it didn't feel it was as good as the last two) has now put me off bioware for good. I shall now borrow bioware games of friends (if they are good) until EA put a stop to it which is in the making.

AlexanderFett's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:54 PM | #162
If it is free till level 50, and stuff can unlocked with coin, what is point of paying SWTOR sub?
I do not get it!!
Then some people wasted their money?
I do not think this is great idea. Now I start to feel like I wasted money!

ClavisN's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:54 PM | #163
Deja Vu.

Having come here from Star Trek Online (STO), I've seen that all.

Frankly, Jeff, you don't have the moral spine to see this through successfully. And by "you" I don't mean you personally - I mean Bioware and I mean EA. Especially EA.

F2P means essentially one thing - separating your free players from their cash in other ways. And since some are pretty resistant to that, you need to to milk those willing to play more than average.

There are basically 2 approaches to get money from players - fluff and grind. The Fluff way is the nice one - you produce nice shining vanity stuff folks are willing to spend money on. Since these are not competitive/required for gameplay, there is no pressure to buy them. But having them is nice. Relaxed pleasure spending. And it makes everyone happy - whenever you come with the new goodies, all smile and laughter.

There's one problem though with fluff - your take home it will not be enough to butter your bread. Pleasure spending only goes so far.

Which gets us to the other option: grind. Gaming company inside literature usually calls it different names - stuff like "convenience purchases". or some such But the idea is the same - you put certain things players need out of reach for them unless they either exceptionally grind or pay for it. Zynga and most of the asian MMO F2P hosues are experts in that. They have refined psychological models about just how mean you can be to players that they pony up the cash but don't leave. This model necessaryly - and usually very quickly - branches into a pay2win scenario.

This is the ugly side of the Free2Play world.

Now we get to the hybrid. You plan a hybrid - do you? Only very few companies really have the long term wisdom to value their subscribers enough to keep the bilkers away from them. Usually, we paying subscribers are promised "nothing changes". But every marketing guy needing to calculate his business case green, every bean-counter who is in danger of missing a target , every fooking mover and shaker in your company will constantly stare at those paying subscribers and imagine how he could bilk those for more cash, too. In the end, short term revenue projection will trump long term customer relation.

You will start targeting and bilking and harassing us paying subscribers, too. And that will be the beginning of the end.

Urantia's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:55 PM | #164
Well damn....looks like it is time to start looking for another game to play. That or it is simply time to stop playing these games in general. Pay to win here we come. Have you put in a lot of time an effort up to now? Worked hard to be the best you could be? That will be trivialized over night.

I will, like some, wait to be sure....but we can be sure no matter how it starts out, it will degrade into to same BS F2P they always do. P2W, class warefare, etc. I would by lying if I said I had any desire to even bother playing no matter what I do going forward it will be a waste of time.

I really liked this game....and would by lying if I never suspected a future F2P, but i sincerely hoped it would not happen. What a total let down :-(.

exileyourself's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:57 PM | #165
Wow you are really going ahead with this well i'm saying this now you have just lossed so many subscribers by making this f2p your proving to all the haters and WoW haters that this game is not doing well and you have to make it f2p you do this, i can ensure you that you will loose more people than you gain so...

Sir_Raston's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:57 PM | #166
Quote: Originally Posted by Gherig View Post
Show me one game that has gone under since it has gone Free to Play or has less payers then before it was Free to Play, you cant, can you? Because none exist. Free to Play is the new industry standard, if you dont like it, go play checkers because in 2 years you wont fine a single MMO that is still 100% sub based.
Then I'll be playing checkers, because FtP or rather, shall we call it what it is, Pay to Win, sucks and if it is the future of MMOs, then MMOs are a thing of the past for me.

PlayLoud's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:57 PM | #167
I'm having fun in SWTOR, and I have no problem paying $15/month to play. While I would rather keep the game subscription only (higher quality players IMHO), I understand that the game has to go f2p to generate more revenue. More revenue means more content can be created.

I love SWTOR, and I want whatever it takes to bring me more story. I'm waiting for Chapter 4 on my Trooper. I am working on my Agent. I have many other classes to play. When I get them all through Chapter 3, I am going to want to continue on. This requires that the game is making money. If f2p will help that happen, so be it.

However, if the game ever becomes Pay to Win, forget it.
CPU: Intel i5 3570k @ 4.2GHz | Mobo: GA-Z77X-D3H | RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16 GB | SSD: Samsung EVO 1TB
Video: MSI GTX 970 GAMING 4G | PSU: Corsair AX850 | Case: Antec P182 | Cooler: Noctua NH-D14
Sound: Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium HD | Headset: Sennheiser PC 360 | OS: Win 10 64 | Monitor: Dell G2410 1080p

Darramouss's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 05:59 PM | #168
Well done Bioware you just killed the game. Now you can go back to making terrible sequels to good games.

Corpselight's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 06:01 PM | #169
For go the banner and give deluxe players the 1000 cartel coins.

Quote: Originally Posted by JJDrakken View Post
So the Digital Deluxe people get screwed then? Collectors get 1000 Cartel Coins & a Banner, while those who purchased Digital Deluxe get jack diddly?


Marick_von's Avatar

07.31.2012 , 06:04 PM | #170
Well I was going to post an opinion about this but I can't. I'm just stunned.. I will say I don't think it's a good day for gamers.