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How do you avoid whinie newbs?


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Berin-Tath
07.28.2012 , 03:50 PM | #1
So, I'm new to TOR, and the whole concept of flashpoints/operations is a little new to me. I've only gone on two (I'm still pretty low-level) fps, and the first time (Black Talon) I go with somebody really nice. Next time around I join a full size group, but it turns out he's a major whiner, doesn't understand how to play bosses and the differences between damage, healing, and tanking, and ends up quiting in the middle of the boss-fight on Hammer Station, which messed everybody else up.

I've got a bad feeling that whinners and people who don't understand how to play are common problem. So, how can you tell who these people are before grouping with them?

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alifaraaz
07.28.2012 , 07:34 PM | #2
Truth is some whiners as you say just exist. Nothing to really be done. However what you mention sounds more like someone who doesn't understand the mechanics of the game, and is likely very new to MMORPGs.
The game doesn't always guide you how to play, and to be.honest many.games don't. I played all the way up.to about level 45 before becoming an actual tank, before that I was just a dps/tank hybrid that played like a very weak dps lol.

The only way to end this is to help and.educate them, so that we can all enjoy the game the way its meant to be played.
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RendValor
07.28.2012 , 07:50 PM | #3
First I'd say you need a bit more experience under your belt before you start whinning about other people whinning, second you should take a moment and see if the guy's complaint were actually valid. Was the tank not grabbing aggro? were people breaking CC's? were they killing strongest-to-weakest instead of weakest-to-strongest? Do you really have enough expertise as a new player to judge any of these things?

Also, the LFG tool won't match you with any players on your /ignore list
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Berin-Tath
07.28.2012 , 08:12 PM | #4
All these observations are valid. And I'm not really complaining about them, becasue they are pretty much a fact of life, what I'm really asking is, in your experience having played a lot longer than me, are there some signs or something that help you know when a group is mature and worth your time, and when it isn't.

Basically, the guy was tanking, but not drawing agression, and because he was tanking the healer focused more on those of us who actually were drawing agression. He complained if his health wasn't 100% all the time, and he always waited for others to attack first even though he clearly stated he was playing tank. He left his keyboard in the middle of fights a lot without giving us a heads up. But he complained when other people did things the right way. And quiting because your upset that people are doing this the right way is really not cool.

Again, this isn't an attempt to bash these people, I'm just asking the experienced people if they've found ways to recognize the un-helpful before getting stuck with them.

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Fossman
07.28.2012 , 08:45 PM | #5
The majority of players that are really impatient like that probably wont even make it to level 50. VERY occasionally I get someone like that and they immediately go on my ignore list so im never grouped with them again.

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alifaraaz
07.28.2012 , 08:48 PM | #6
Well sounds like you just got stuck with a bad tank. Just to say, as a tank myself - we do.not always lead groups, but yes we are expected to make the first move in such moments.

Honestly there's no way of knowing.who's gonna suck and who isn't until you play with them. Gear is not a fair indicator of skill, nor how long someone has played.

As the other guy mentioned, there is the ignore list. Adding people to this list means you won't see their messages, but you also won't ever be grouped with them using the group finder.

You'll find as you get higher level you run into these things less, but still exists a bit. And bear in mind with the recent free trial to lvl 15, there's definitely a lot of new players about. It's not really an issue you should have to worry about once you're higher level.
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vertigoxxo
07.28.2012 , 08:50 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Berin-Tath View Post
All these observations are valid. And I'm not really complaining about them, becasue they are pretty much a fact of life, what I'm really asking is, in your experience having played a lot longer than me, are there some signs or something that help you know when a group is mature and worth your time, and when it isn't.

Basically, the guy was tanking, but not drawing agression, and because he was tanking the healer focused more on those of us who actually were drawing agression. He complained if his health wasn't 100% all the time, and he always waited for others to attack first even though he clearly stated he was playing tank. He left his keyboard in the middle of fights a lot without giving us a heads up. But he complained when other people did things the right way. And quiting because your upset that people are doing this the right way is really not cool.

Again, this isn't an attempt to bash these people, I'm just asking the experienced people if they've found ways to recognize the un-helpful before getting stuck with them.
Ok, Simply a missunderstanding on your part. Black Talon FP is the first fp in the game players can join it at level 10 and up. You didn't realize a "tank" has no aggro ability until higher level, i think its around 14 or so don't remember. IF the healer was healing which isnt normally needed on that fp than yes he will get aggro and the only way to pull from him is to kill it. Aggro will go everywhere, once they get higher level they get abilities to hold aggro better but for the most part, aggro control is a learned talent. Takes Time. Hope this helps.

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Berin-Tath
07.28.2012 , 08:51 PM | #8
OK, so, even with so few responses so far, basically what I'm seeing is this:

1. Leveling is a pretty good barrier to keep these people away.

2. Don't be shy with the ignore button.

3. It's best to go with people you know, or at least recognize, when you can.

4. Beyond that, there's precious little that can be done other than avoiding people with a lower level than you, which is not always something to go by.

Is that pretty resonable?

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alifaraaz
07.28.2012 , 09:01 PM | #9
Pretty much yeah
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Berin-Tath
07.28.2012 , 09:22 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by vertigoxxo View Post
Ok, Simply a missunderstanding on your part. Black Talon FP is the first fp in the game players can join it at level 10 and up. You didn't realize a "tank" has no aggro ability until higher level, i think its around 14 or so don't remember. IF the healer was healing which isnt normally needed on that fp than yes he will get aggro and the only way to pull from him is to kill it. Aggro will go everywhere, once they get higher level they get abilities to hold aggro better but for the most part, aggro control is a learned talent. Takes Time. Hope this helps.
Yes, that makes sense.

But really, I still don't want to run into people who are going to quit, even though we're doing fine, just because we were all playing that the low-levels that we are.

He was lv17, anyway, and actually seemed to have some tanking ability. And he wasn't getting targetted by AOE at all, while I, for one example, was playing sniper, and therefore much less mobile, which meant I was getting hurt by ranged AOE a lot, which naturally made the healer more concerned about me.

And healing is a little helpful when dealing with the final boss, since you have to deal with his AOEs and the extra guys he keeps bringing in, which forces advanced classes like the sniper to go mobile, which means less damage occurs to the boss, which means he has a longer time to deal damage out to everyone else.

@alifaraaz: that's what I thought. Kind of a change for me, because in the last MMO I was on, you could pretty much instantly recognize people who didn't know how to play, based on their equipment and weapons.