EA shareholders meeting: over/under 300k subs?

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EA shareholders meeting: over/under 300k subs?

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Thaltom

07.27.2012 , 12:23 PM \| #261	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda What server are you on that has 2 instances of tatt or nar shaddaa? I've seen two instances of Nar Shaddaa on The Bastion (West- PvP). Haven't really checked Tatooine recently.
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Emeda

07.27.2012 , 12:23 PM \| #262	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlbo_Nabbins They would ignore it and just claim that the number are being padded somehow. Your right we have to believe them no matter what number they give. Even though they closed almost 200 servers and they still have less heavy servers than they did back when they said they had 1.3.
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

Durasturan

07.27.2012 , 12:24 PM \| #263	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus I donot think WoW counts free trials as subscriptions. And it is the last 30 days of the reporting cycle , the number of "subs" which are active are the ones counted. The player's "account" with Blizzard's Battelnet covers more than just WoW. So they donot count those. They have a seperate number for those. If EA counts the free trials as sub figures, that is pretty deceptive. WoW manipulates their data extremely well. Look at their income. Online Subscription (which is not just WoW subs but also sales of the game and ALL online service features) is only $89M/mo. Only $71M of that is from WoW subs. That's only 4.7M $15/Mo subs and those are world wide figures. Compare that to their advertised 11-12 million players and what do you get? Bots, bots everywhere. A solid 2M players are bots. How do we know this? Because up until 2010 they would report the number of bots that they banned each month and it was in the hundreds of thousands. And then they stopped banning them... Also Chinese players which pay a drastically reduced rate, but don't matter to NA players because they don't actually play with us. When it comes down to the bottom line, there are probably only 2.5M-3.5M NA and EU players for WoW right now, but they inflate the numbers by including free trials and Asian subs.

Goretzu

07.27.2012 , 12:24 PM \| #264	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus I donot think WoW counts free trials as subscriptions. And it is the last 30 days of the reporting cycle , the number of "subs" which are active are the ones counted. The player's "account" with Blizzard's Battelnet covers more than just WoW. So they donot count those. They have a seperate number for those. If EA counts the free trials as sub figures, that is pretty deceptive. Maybe not, but most do, and given how WoW counts far-eastern accounts I'd definately put my money on them doing so. If you're talking about accountwide stuff, SoE got that covered way, way back in Everquest 1, they counted everyone with a Station Pass as an EQ1 active account, even if you'd never played EQ1 on that account. Active accounts are a black art an have been since the turn of the last century.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too? Goretzu's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving "Entitled" approaches 1

Emeda

07.27.2012 , 12:25 PM \| #265	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Thaltom I've seen two instances of Nar Shaddaa on The Bastion (West- PvP). Haven't really checked Tatooine recently. When? Im not saying that it has never happened but the person who said it today is completely lying. all but 2 servers that are german are standard or below and i am sorry but you dont have 2 instances on 2 planets when your at standard.
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

Izorii

07.27.2012 , 12:25 PM \| #266	Quote
I suspect as many people have active players does not equal subs. I suspect over 300K subs, but less active players. I suspect a lot of players are sat on the fence not really playing but nothig better has come along, yet.

belizar

07.27.2012 , 12:29 PM \| #267	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlbo_Nabbins They would ignore it and just claim that the number are being padded somehow. it will be padded depending when the report is out 6 months subs arent up to middle next month tru numbers after that

Thaltom

07.27.2012 , 12:30 PM \| #268	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda When? Im not saying that it has never happened but the person who said it today is completely lying. all but 2 servers that are german are standard or below and i am sorry but you dont have 2 instances on 2 planets when your at standard. I can't give you an exact date but is has been within the last seven days. When I can get online it's between 4p - 10p CST on the weekdays. I know when I logged on it was Very Heavy.
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Valkirus

07.27.2012 , 12:33 PM \| #269	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan WoW manipulates their data extremely well. Look at their income. Online Subscription (which is not just WoW subs but also sales of the game and ALL online service features) is only $89M/mo. Only $71M of that is from WoW subs. That's only 4.7M $15/Mo subs and those are world wide figures. Compare that to their advertised 11-12 million players and what do you get? Bots, bots everywhere. A solid 2M players are bots. How do we know this? Because up until 2010 they would report the number of bots that they banned each month and it was in the hundreds of thousands. And then they stopped banning them... Also Chinese players which pay a drastically reduced rate, but don't matter to NA players because they don't actually play with us. When it comes down to the bottom line, there are probably only 2.5M-3.5M NA and EU players for WoW right now, but they inflate the numbers by including free trials and Asian subs. I do agree with some of your points. But they donot count free trials. And even the Asians with thier reduced sub fees are still paying subs. :P A subscription is a " paying " one and free trials donot pay a fee each month.
Trust is something which is earned.

Valkirus

07.27.2012 , 12:37 PM \| #270	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu Maybe not, but most do, and given how WoW counts far-eastern accounts I'd definately put my money on them doing so. If you're talking about accountwide stuff, SoE got that covered way, way back in Everquest 1, they counted everyone with a Station Pass as an EQ1 active account, even if you'd never played EQ1 on that account. Active accounts are a black art an have been since the turn of the last century. No....the Asian players are also paying a price to play..in other words....there is a subscription involved. How hard is that to understand? If EA wants to count the free trials then they should word thier numbers along the line of.."we have at this time, 1 million players enjoying the game."
Trust is something which is earned.

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