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Why not B2P like GW2?


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cipero
07.26.2012 , 09:30 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by insanesahdow View Post
*Raises hand*
What's B2P? I've been trying to find a word that fits for the B but I can't come up with anything.
Buy 2 play. Basically like a console game, or other stand alone games. Basically you buy the game and own it. No monthly subs. Yes there is a cash shop, but it's just cosmetic and vanity, nothing that would help you have an advantage over someone else.

I think the confusion in this thread is people don't know much or anything at all about Guild Wars track record with this very model, and instead take it as a nickel and dime you type of game like Lord of The Rings.
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insanesahdow
07.26.2012 , 09:34 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by cipero View Post
Buy 2 play. Basically like a console game, or other stand alone games. Basically you buy the game and own it. No monthly subs. Yes there is a cash shop, but it's just cosmetic and vanity, nothing that would help you have an advantage over someone else.

I think the confusion in this thread is people don't know much or anything at all about Guild Wars track record with this very model, and instead take it as a nickel and dime you type of game like Lord of The Rings.
Of course! BUY 2 Play! Thanks =)

I plan on playing Guild Wars 2 when it comes out. I had a blast during the Beta events but I'm gonna split my free time with both that game and SWTOR.

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Erasimus
07.26.2012 , 09:35 PM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by LibertySol View Post
GW1 is different from GW2. Extremely different. With GW1 they released expansions but GW2 will have free content updates just like a P2P game. You're just being difficult and/or trolling.
So I'll go out on a limb and say that ArenaNET is in this business to make money. So if GW2, unlike GW1, won't have paid expansions, whatever they are called, just free content updates, then they must be counting on MicroTrasactions to fund development and server maintenance.

If they sell anything meaningful so far as progression in either PvP or PvE then it becomes pay to win and could get very expensive.

If they don't I personally doubt very much whether the income from their cash shop will generate enough revenue to make meaningful improvements to the game.

Unless you're trying to tell me that ArenaNET will be releasing updates and content out of the goodness of their hearts because they love gamers?

I'd rather pay a monthly subscription fee.
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cipero
07.26.2012 , 09:43 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by insanesahdow View Post
Of course! BUY 2 Play! Thanks =)

I plan on playing Guild Wars 2 when it comes out. I had a blast during the Beta events but I'm gonna split my free time with both that game and SWTOR.
Yea me too. that's the best thing about GW to be honest. It doesn't make you choose which game to sub to. It's win/win for the players because besides buying the game, you can keep paying the sub you are paying now and get both.
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cipero
07.26.2012 , 09:48 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Erasimus View Post
So I'll go out on a limb and say that ArenaNET is in this business to make money. So if GW2, unlike GW1, won't have paid expansions, whatever they are called, just free content updates, then they must be counting on MicroTrasactions to fund development and server maintenance.

If they sell anything meaningful so far as progression in either PvP or PvE then it becomes pay to win and could get very expensive.

If they don't I personally doubt very much whether the income from their cash shop will generate enough revenue to make meaningful improvements to the game.

Unless you're trying to tell me that ArenaNET will be releasing updates and content out of the goodness of their hearts because they love gamers?

I'd rather pay a monthly subscription fee.
Well here, you are mistaken. Your thought process is correct, tho. You have to remember that ArenaNet didn't spend the same kind of money Bioware did, nor do they have a huge staff like Bioware did. My point is their vanity cash shop is enough, just like it was in GW1, to sustain the team. Also, the cash shop will not have anything that will give you an advantage over someone else, that's already been stated.

They also have said they will continue rolling monthly events (just like they did in gw1) and implementing dynamic events. Content saved for expansions are going to be new areas and the likes.
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Elmillia
07.26.2012 , 09:51 PM | #126
I can't imagine it's cheap to hire the voice actors.

Why are people trying to kill SWTOR? I've seen threads suggesting F2P, B2P, asking for no paid services, etc. This is a business, and the more money EA can milk from it, the better. The more money they make, the more they'll want to keep it going.
SWTOR is a MORPG. Multiplayer online Roleplaying game.

There is nothing Massively about it.

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spectreclees
07.26.2012 , 09:53 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by insanesahdow View Post
Of course! BUY 2 Play! Thanks =)

I plan on playing Guild Wars 2 when it comes out. I had a blast during the Beta events but I'm gonna split my free time with both that game and SWTOR.
Same here man. I can't wait for GW2. I'll be playing SWTOR though.

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Brool
07.26.2012 , 10:00 PM | #128
best thing about gw2 release will be the increase in intelligent constructive posts here on our forums.
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Aricus
07.26.2012 , 10:04 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Elmillia View Post
I can't imagine it's cheap to hire the voice actors.

Why are people trying to kill SWTOR? I've seen threads suggesting F2P, B2P, asking for no paid services, etc. This is a business, and the more money EA can milk from it, the better. The more money they make, the more they'll want to keep it going.

I don't think Voice acting is the problem anymore. Those actors were probably locked up in contracts not to mention some of them were actors/actress from previous BW games like Mass Effect.

I think the problem with voice acting is that it takes time to develop content that uses voice acting. It's almost like animating a movie. This game since it has many Voice Acting cutscenes, requires a lot of animation work which requires more time for content to be patched in and update of this is when comparing to a straight text or voice dialogue.

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defenestrated
07.27.2012 , 12:25 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Elmillia View Post
Why are people trying to kill SWTOR? I've seen threads suggesting F2P, B2P, asking for no paid services, etc. This is a business, and the more money EA can milk from it, the better. The more money they make, the more they'll want to keep it going.
Switching to a F2P model has saved floundering MMOs before. If anything, it can mean an influx of players and cash. The trick would be making the transition gracefully, setting up an alternate revenue stream that doesn't consist of pay-to-win or obvious nickel-and-dimeing headaches.

Quote: Originally Posted by cipero View Post
Anything major will be in an expansion obviously, but they have already said they will constantly be adding dynamic events and monthly events. Jon Peters created the BWE3 final beta event "The Hunger Royale" in under 12 hours just to show how they can manipulate the system to put in these kinds of events.
Wait, they pulled that off in 12 hours? Holy crap.

But yeah, I remember reading that they didn't say they wouldn't make major expansions but rather that they wouldn't have stand-alone expansions like with GW1. This is in addition to regular, free content updates.