Pro-skippers, politeness will get you further

I've been very lucky with group finder, but then i use it with my 2 tanks, not hard to find a new group it it comes to it. I always politlely ask "can we spacebar?" at the start of all fp's followed by " have you all run this before?"

Politeness goes a long way, and if I recall, never had any objections when I use manners.

That said, group finder loves giving me the sub-teen suicidal aggro grabbing DPS player with major OCD issues when it comes to clicking on the gun turret on Kaon. The rest of group jumps to high ground and many lol's ensue.

No offence to any dps players btw, its just the ones with manner/maturity problems are almost exclusively mdps

I didn't say I'm a guild leader. But officer or member status with a guild applies equally to your question...

I do PUGs when there aren't enough of my guild members and friends online who want to run a hardmode flashpoint. I have precious little time to play and I really dig that the LFG feature is finally in the game so I can spend a lot less time with the tedium of getting groups.

Before I queue, I do spin through guild chat and friends list to see if anyone's interested. Even when I get some, we rarely have a full 4 ready to go soon-ish. So I usually find myself with at least 1 random member.

Here's what I don't get... that nobody has explained to me yet.

You're in a hard mode flashpoint. One you've already done. Probably dozens of times.

WHY do you want to watch the cut-scenes AGAIN? How many times have you seen them? What's the benefit of seeing them yet again?

When somebody on the team just refuses to hit space bar, I feel it is not my right to force them. But it is my right to quit the team and find another. I exercise that right quite often.

That is a secondary question to the topic though. What about the people who never did the FP? Or those that are sick of not being able to watch the cut scene even once and they take a stand at that one time?

How hard is it to put up with 5 to 10 extra minutes once in a while?

Personally I do not watch them more than once. I don't watch movies more than once except for rare ones, do not read books twice, but I know many many many people that do.

The same with cut scenes...some enjoy them....every time they see them...is it so off putting to have to watch them once in while again?

I do not see the whole need to quit over this. Someone being a loot whore....sure. Someone manically pulling every mob in the zone...sure. Someone just being a plain immature tard....sure.

But having to watch cut scenes? Take a piss, sip your beverage of choice....but to quit seems like the kid who takes his ball home when people do not want to play by his rules.

If it's a normal FP (sans BT/Esseles) just watch the cut scenes. It's not that bad.

HM FPs? Different story.

If you're in a HM FP you are there for a) columi gear and / or b) black hole comms. That's it. You're not there "for the story" (you saw it in normal mode). The faster the run is over, the sooner I can do other things. If Esseles pops, and people insist on watching the cut scene, I'll just drop and re-queue. I will get my comms faster that way.

Thank god there are other people to tell me what I'm running flashpoints for. I might have mistakenly come up with my own reasons for being in one.

In the end to me the issue isn't spacebarring or not. Sometimes I just want to spacebar through, and other times I feel like watching the cutscenes again. The issue I have is when people decide that they get to demand that I and others play by their rules and expectations. If you want to spacebar and someone isn't then ask them, like one human being to another, if the group can skip the cinematics. You only make people resentful and less inclined to comply by being a *****

It would be awesome if there was a selection for "Speed Run" on the Group Finder. I will keep my fingers crossed that we get that. It would be fair to everyone and really group together people with the same goals in mind.

In the meantime:
Story Mode default = watch cutscenes, do all bosses
Hard Mode default = watch custscenes, do all bosses

I believe it is incumbent upon those who want to speed run/skip cutscenes/skip bosses to ask nicely to do such. It is NOT the responsibility of someone who wants to watch the cutscenes and do the bonuses, REGARDLESS OF THE MODE, to state that they want to do what the game is set up for them to naturally do.

Some PUG folks just run ahead and get oh so annoyed when you say "please wait" - they often don't want to do the bonuses, let you reload or even heal between battles. "This content is so easy, you don't need to heal!" they will say.

That may be their choice, but *I* want to heal between battles. I want to have a strategy with the group, not just rush to the next fight. If someone wants to do it differently, they should ask, not presume. They should ask, not insult or condescend.

Hard Mode or Story Mode, I always ask the rest of the group if they understand the how a particular boss works, just as I speak up in FP's I've never done before. Suprisingly, many people actually HAVEN'T done certain FP's before and don't know the mechanics. I even ran an FP with a tank who didn't know what the word "aggro" meant. Did I yell, scream, insult, name call? No. I helped him out, I explained, I ACTED LIKE PART OF A TEAM.

It's not a tough concept. If you want to speed run, that's fine - but ask if the rest of the team is down with that. If they aren't, then accept or leave the group. But don't expect that everyone wants to do it your way instead of the way the game plays naturally and then get cranky when they don't.

do story mode for the story /thread

I have 4 level 50s. But since I mostly PvP (I've done, hmm, 2 FPs a long time ago, and only 4 OPs, 3 hardmode, all on my Gunslinger). So if I ever decide to do the FPs I most certainly won't be hitting the spacebar. I may start doing some for the dailies at some point

Thanks for your input. Good boy. Here is a juice box now go outside and play until dinner time.