Bioware blames fans

See what I did there? I have as much merit as some dbag blogger now except I know the forum has been around since 2008 (not Oct 2011), and my made up "source" isnt claiming people were asking for KOTOR 3 rather than an MMO... because they didnt! Everyone believe me now

just to play devils advocate cause im bored and got woken up and cant get back to sleep, didnt they bring down the original forums around that time and launch the new forums that we have now?

To some degree I agree with this. In Beta SWTOR was a much different game. More detailed on many levels. For example the commendations system was dramatically different. It seemed there were lots of people on the boards who just didn't get it. Most of the complaints I saw were something like "This is nothing like WOW, so I hate it." So BioEA did what comes naturally to a large corporation, they used statistics to try to make the most people happy that they could. The corporatists soon took hold of what was left of Bioware and the rest is history... The bottom line here is the game was dumbed down from Beta to what we have currently. Game developers who are making games that are worth anything today are ignoring the HERD and following their own history and paths to make better games. EVE is a good example of this trend. What BioEA forgot is this new generation probably had no experience with KOTOR but decided to change SWTOR to appease them anyway. In perfect corporatist logic they opted for the genius Lose Lose strategy - alienate your long time fans by neglecting what made Bioware great and at the same time anger the new MMO crowd with a WOW clone that isn't "exactly like WOW"... I think if BioEA had tempered their reactions to the "fans" and these forums they could have pulled this off. For example look at the mess they made of DAO and ME. The sequels to these games bear little resemblance to their originals, they are completely dumbed down, but BioEA rejects this criticism. So who cares? EA has money and power so they will just try to force feed the herd what they think it wants, but in the process they have completely ruined a once great game company. But yes the "fans" (this new herd) is partly to blame for this fiasco too.

Good point. I think they did. But on the subject of this thread, I would not put much faith into a poster's comments as officail on some other forum. And I see a lot of childish finger pointing going on in this thread and I bet I am older than any of you youngins. And when you get to my age, 42 is young...very young...lol

just to play devils advocate cause im bored and got woken up and cant get back to sleep, didnt they bring down the original forums around that time and launch the new forums that we have now?

You do know that a lot of people had faith and bought 6 month subs, only for the game to partly fail (said partly to keep the drones happy) and leave a lot of unhappy players stuck on empty servers, which is now being forced on others (I moved already, others haven't), along with a vast amount of bugs & issues, as well as dumb things like taking down servers 5 times a week (sometimes without notice) and botched patches... the list is endless. And yet, here we are... Trapped. If people don't like the trapped, unhappy players posting, they shouldn't attack them (as always), try complaining to BW/EA to give them refunds to "just get rid of them!" once and for all? Bet I know BW/EA's answer.