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Vankris
07.24.2012 , 05:45 AM | #21
i will never understand.

if you don't like a game, why pay subs so you can trash it on the forum? Just move on, there are plenty of games (or others fun activities) out there.

Why do one spend money, time and energy just to bash a game. It's kind of useless too, most people on these forums have first hand experience with the game and thus forge their own opinion about it.

i think i am reasonably intelligent, but this is beyond my comprehension of the human psyche. You need a physhology degree to understand these forums some days.
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Celise
07.24.2012 , 05:50 AM | #22
i used to bash STO on their forums while i was subbed for it for a while, i just liked that it was a challenge and had to overcome the game, the forums was just a vehicle to push me on to overcome the game and do better, the usual e-peen tosh if directed properly is a great motivator on the forums and the game itself is a great challenge.

some people like to use the chance to be insulted like that, i mean pandering directly to their lack of precision to do the task, it can be a brilliant cataclyst, but if bioware instead respond by making it easier instead of tell em to overcome it, well whats the challenge of the game? if you immediately know whats at the end of the tunnel, there is no point travelling to get at it.

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Sporin
07.24.2012 , 05:56 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
i will never understand.

if you don't like a game, why pay subs so you can trash it on the forum? Just move on, there are plenty of games (or others fun activities) out there.

Why do one spend money, time and energy just to bash a game. It's kind of useless too, most people on these forums have first hand experience with the game and thus forge their own opinion about it.

i think i am reasonably intelligent, but this is beyond my comprehension of the human psyche. You need a physhology degree to understand these forums some days.
You do know that a lot of people had faith and bought 6 month subs, only for the game to partly fail (said partly to keep the drones happy) and leave a lot of unhappy players stuck on empty servers, which is now being forced on others (I moved already, others haven't), along with a vast amount of bugs & issues, as well as dumb things like taking down servers 5 times a week (sometimes without notice) and botched patches... the list is endless. And yet, here we are... Trapped. If people don't like the trapped, unhappy players posting, they shouldn't attack them (as always), try complaining to BW/EA to give them refunds to "just get rid of them!" once and for all? Bet I know BW/EA's answer.
Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most!

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Baphomet_x
07.24.2012 , 05:58 AM | #24
bioware`s only mess up in my opinion is regarding the community...all of this stuff going on right now is all part of normal developement cycles...that most people cant see past there own situation to understand

bioware`s mess up with the community isa that they were nice,sometimes absent,but nice


what they shouldve done is use the ironfist methodology...games with ironfist style rules over there community generally are nicer places to be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC1MsX0Qsao
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Blackardin
07.24.2012 , 05:59 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by catherder View Post
yet another "fan" who has difficulty distinguishing criticism from abuse.... ahh the wonders of our modern educational system never cease to amaze
How educated is it to cast ad-hominems at those that disagree with your analysis rather then formulate an educated and convincing contention to the contrary?

This is not "criticism", it is disparagement and very poor attempt at such. It is, at its core, no different then the childish attacks you have just leveled at every poster that does not agree with you, and it is just as worthy of journalistic praise. It is uninformed opinion based on hyperbole and conjecture rather then fact and analysis.

All the bullying and rhetorical brow beating in the world will not override the many questions raised as to the level of this bloggers integrity, or cause any clear thinking individual to take at face value this random blogger's "inside source" that has not been identified or even substantiated (was it the fourth floor janitor?).

There are legitimate issues with this game, but this blogger, rather then write a thesis on the subject matter has chosen mud slinging at the level of a bad, Jerry Springer show, with all of the drama and hype that goes along with it. Anyone bolstering this as anything more then a random facebook level blog surely would have been shortchanged by the education system.
May the Schwartz be with you....

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catherder
07.24.2012 , 06:01 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by TheRedNalroni View Post
I totally disagree with the OP.

The game is good, its better than good.

The Problem with the game is:

Shoddy programming. A Broken combat engine (ability delay completely dominating PVP and PVE recurring problem that comes back almost every patch).
Slow fixes, slow updates.
the problem is YOU! The OP's opinion was not posted here...

similar issue: I am on an RP server, playing a BH and I complained to my group mates that I am having a heat issue in combat and, no lie, they told me to press the 1 key repeatedly SMH..!!!

more wonders of the modern educational system... it honestly is a wonder you all are able to read... but wait I really don't think you can.

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DKDArtagnan
07.24.2012 , 06:02 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
You do know that a lot of people had faith and bought 6 month subs, only for the game to partly fail (said partly to keep the drones happy) and leave a lot of unhappy players stuck on empty servers, which is now being forced on others (I moved already, others haven't), along with a vast amount of bugs & issues, as well as dumb things like taking down servers 5 times a week (sometimes without notice) and botched patches... the list is endless. And yet, here we are... Trapped. If people don't like the trapped, unhappy players posting, they shouldn't attack them (as always), try complaining to BW/EA to give them refunds to "just get rid of them!" once and for all? Bet I know BW/EA's answer.
You can post all you like, but you have to understand that it appears a bit sad that you have nothing better to do.

I mean, by all means, post constructive criticism about the game you expected to play for 6 months - though no one forced you to subscribe for that long. I'm not sure why you'd feel entitled because of it. Let's say it was possible to subscribe for 2 years - and the game failed to entertain you for that long, would you still blame the developers - or would you be willing to entertain the possibility that you need to be thoughtful how you invest?

As for SWtOR - it's very far from perfect - and in being that, it's exactly the same as all the other established MMOs out there. All the popular ones have significant flaws on the same level.

We've had 3 content patches that have all made good and significant changes. You might not agree, but I honestly think so.

But, to spend your time in forums making simplistic statements like "TORtanic is sinking" won't help you get your point across.

Try with some intelligent and constructive criticism and go have some fun outside the forums. Well, that would be my suggestion.

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catherder
07.24.2012 , 06:03 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
How educated is it to cast ad-hominems at those that disagree with your analysis rather then formulate an educated and convincing contention to the contrary?

This is not "criticism", it is disparagement and very poor attempt at such. It is, at its core, no different then the childish attacks you have just leveled at every poster that does not agree with you, and it is just as worthy of journalistic praise. It is uninformed opinion based on hyperbole and conjecture rather then fact and analysis.

All the bullying and rhetorical brow beating in the world will not override the many questions raised as to the level of this bloggers integrity, or cause any clear thinking individual to take at face value this random blogger's "inside source" that has not been identified or even substantiated (was it the fourth floor janitor?).
Ad Hominem? Where? Point to it or continue to make a fool of yourself. I really could care less which you choose... but the choice is yours alone.

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Sporin
07.24.2012 , 06:04 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by DKDArtagnan View Post
You can post all you like, but you have to understand that it appears a bit sad that you have nothing better to do.

I mean, by all means, post constructive criticism about the game you expected to play for 6 months - though no one forced you to subscribe for that long. I'm not sure why you'd feel entitled because of it. Let's say it was possible to subscribe for 2 years - and the game failed to entertain you for that long, would you still blame the developers - or would you be willing to entertain the possibility that you need to be thoughtful how you invest?

As for SWtOR - it's very far from perfect - and in being that, it's exactly the same as all the other established MMOs out there. All the popular ones have significant flaws on the same level.

We've had 3 content patches that have all made good and significant changes. You might not agree, but I honestly think so.

But, to spend your time in forums making simplistic statements like "TORtanic is sinking" won't help you get your point across.

Try with some intelligent and constructive criticism and go have some fun outside the forums. Well, that would be my suggestion.
And how many broken promises? Thought so....

EDIT: And no, I don't have anything better to do. Like you, I am a paying customer, so if I wish to spend all day on here, I can, will and shall (if I so desire). Thanks for worrying though.


Quote: Originally Posted by DKDArtagnan View Post
Try with some intelligent and constructive criticism and go have some fun outside the forums. Well, that would be my suggestion.
Everyone knows that doesn't work here, you get shot down no matter what you say. SO I play on their level, just to even the playing field, it's the only way they listen (Believe it or not).
Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most!

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catherder
07.24.2012 , 06:08 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
In fact, I remember reading massive threads all telling EA not to copy WOW and to just make the best game with out falling into the WOW trap of "easier and faster is better"

Yet we got easier and faster is better and the game is often called WOW in space (You would think they would learn as SWG was often called UO in space and was also a massive failure, investor expectation wise).

But as we all know, no one is really calling game TORtanic but some mouthy 13 year olds.
+1 - but in those Beta forums there was a huge group of people comparing this game to WOW regardless of the canon and history of KOTOR. Most had never played the earlier BW games, they just wanted to ruin this one and they succeeded quite nicely. The IGNORANT HERD loves to drown out discourse.... They are really really good at it.