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BW can learn a lot from ArenaNet

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BW can learn a lot from ArenaNet

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DarthCDiv
07.23.2012 , 03:39 PM | #41
A small measure of my faith in Bioware would be restored as well as the likeliness of me giving them more of my money if a mod would respond to this thread with 'We are listening.' or 'Goodnight Seattle.'

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Senden
07.23.2012 , 03:40 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by uziforyou View Post
Well, therein lies the a problem though. Only a small part of ANY games player base frequents or even accesses forums for said games. SWTOR is a classic example of this. Most of the people still playing this game have NEVER been to these forums.

So if ArenaNet is building their game based on feedback from their forums they're designing a game based on the feedback of a very minute portion of what will likely be their player base. This is precisely why companies like Blizzard (and Bioware for that matter) tend to take what they see in forums with a grain of salt. And if you're going to say that's the wrong approach then you're bucking what has been a very successful business model, at least for Blizzard.

IMHO game forums are in general, the place to see people airing their opinions in a non-constructive way. Definately not a good place to base game design decisions on.
I don't think this is fair tbh.. While you don't develop a game for the minority, the people who come onto forums to discuss it constructively are the ones who are most passionate about it and as someone else stated, generally make up the backbone of the game. I'd also say that while the forums are made up of the minority, most of the points made echo that of the majority.

Getting involved with the people who take the time to post is one of the easiest ways to build good relations with your fanbase which in turn builds a good community. Sure you get flamers and such but even on the WoW forums it's easy to avoid the rubbish and engage in the good constructive threads. As someone mentioned even with FFXIV, fans have a huge amount of respect when community reps and developers interact with them. Overall, it builds up a community and imho that's the most important aspect of any MMO and something BW seem to have forgotten or shown ignorance towards.

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Holden_Dissent
07.23.2012 , 03:42 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Tic- View Post
Then the company might ask themselves, "Why are so many dweebs tossing grenades in our lobby?"
I seriously doubt Bioware has a psychiatrist on staff.

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SNCommand
07.23.2012 , 03:43 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Senden View Post
While you don't develop a game for the minority, the people who come onto forums to discuss it constructively are the ones who are most passionate about it.
Either that or they're trolls and attention whores, and there's quite a few of them if you ask me
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Personally I would slap Georges hands away from the editing desk, give him a colouring book and then remake the entire prequel trilogy so that Darth Vader uses the force to win breakdance competitions and chokes to death anyone who utters the word midichlorians.

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DarthCDiv
07.23.2012 , 03:44 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
Either that or they're trolls and attention whores, and there's quite a few of them if you ask me
Like you?

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Tic-
07.23.2012 , 03:46 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
Nothing would be more counter productive than suddenly start cracking down on these people, they would use it as a sign that the game is failing and Bioware is shutting down all negativity, they do it as soon as they start removing duplicate threads about people saying they quit the game because it's boring, stupid, not WoW, too much like WoW, not enough like Star Wars, too much like Star Wars etc etc
Yes, its much more productive to allow them spill bile and hate about your game on your own forums, while you are hiding in a corner, refusing to speak to the playerbase...

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SNCommand
07.23.2012 , 03:47 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthCDiv View Post
Like you?
I don' think so, no I'm mostly here when I'm waiting for the loadscreens in the game to finish, being here helps me to know what's happening, if not a world event might slip past me, took me two days last time before I learned the Rakghoul event was happening
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Personally I would slap Georges hands away from the editing desk, give him a colouring book and then remake the entire prequel trilogy so that Darth Vader uses the force to win breakdance competitions and chokes to death anyone who utters the word midichlorians.

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SNCommand
07.23.2012 , 03:49 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Tic- View Post
Yes, its much more productive to allow them spill bile and hate about your game on your own forums, while you are hiding in a corner, refusing to speak to the playerbase...

You would be surprised, if you're going to suppress those people you need to take a firm stance in the beginning, not let it slide, Bioware really dropped the ball right there
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Personally I would slap Georges hands away from the editing desk, give him a colouring book and then remake the entire prequel trilogy so that Darth Vader uses the force to win breakdance competitions and chokes to death anyone who utters the word midichlorians.

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crewthiefthor
07.23.2012 , 03:49 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by samht View Post
/agreed. In addition, right now GW2 fan-base are the Fanboys they pretty much have nothing but love for the game. The major complaint seems to be the that when you press a button and an ability fires off nothing happens, more base is needed. Unfortunately, I bought into the hype and pre-purchased the game and I wish I hadn't. GW2 really is poor game. its Warhammer online 2.0 with no feedback in combat and bad rotation design. Every quest is going to be a public quest from warhammer or rifts in Rift. Most classes are cool-down driven and most of the time your just auto-attacking.

The quest design causes them to become so oversaturate with players that you don't even know what you are doing. Down the line the will be hard to finish because not enough players maybe leveling. The story is interesting but the cut scenes are bad quality, think infamous. No to mention there is really no carrot or end game except for a carrotless; know, I know, COD and Battlefield have no carrot but they are build on fun game play and skills while guild wars 2 is a stripped down hot bar MMO. It feels incomplete.

I also don't like the cash shop, tbh it has all the problems of swtor, warhammer and maybe more, no addon support, no LFG, no raids. I only played the first 10 levels of 5 characters but that how I feel. I will level a character hopefully it will get better.
Well, I strongly disagree with your assessment of GW2. I've played in all the Beta Weekend Events and it is more than apparent that it is NOT a "really poor game". But, aside from your biased opinion, how is your post even relevant to the nature of this thread?

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DarthCDiv
07.23.2012 , 03:49 PM | #50
I do wonder to what extent this is the fans fault. Have we heaped too much praise on them in the past, so much so that they are no convinced they can do no wrong?