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Gunju
07.23.2012 , 10:59 AM | #181
I must be a sucker, I guess. I believe that post has a lot truth in it. I really do believe the fans or so called fans , have helped RUIN this game. These forums by far are the most vile plague of self entitlement Humans I've ever seen in a MMO. Yes BW made a few mistakes with features that should have been in game at the start. But they pumped out these much needed thing's a lot faster then any mmo ever has.
It's sad really, everyday I hop on forums I see the same crying little spoon fed babies , making more insane useless babbling garbage posts. Then it makes it MUCH worse to think, these are full grown adults.

If and when I even quit , it will be because of this trash community, not BW.

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Lundli
07.23.2012 , 11:05 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Tmanarl View Post
Either the so called "insider" is an idiot or the article author is.
I'm thinking both


Quote: Originally Posted by Gunju View Post
These forums by far are the most vile plague of self entitlement Humans I've ever seen in a MMO.
And this

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MasterKayote
07.23.2012 , 11:15 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by ConanArthurLager View Post
They blame the players? And they made it more like Kotor? What does Kotor bring to the table?
  • You can build your character according to a D20 ruleset (a mix of levels and skills, but the bioware version had some limited options). To those that don't know D20. It has some similarities to D&D 3.5 edition rules. DDO and NWN show how much character customization is posssible with such rulesets.
  • In Kotor you couldn't have only conversations with quest givers but also with lots of other NPCs (e.g. merchants).
  • Kotor offered more than just 3 dialog options on conversations, despite having voice acting as well.
  • Kotor allowed you to train your party members ("companions") as well. If that was too cumbersome for you the system could handle that for you.
  • The hacking profession offered more interesting options (e.g. using surveillance cameras to look beyond closed doors, activate a facility's defenses on successful hacks, etc.).
  • Despite the limited crafting options Kotor's crafting felt like it involved the player more (at least Kotor2 had more options than Kotor1). Go to a workbench, dissassemble some stuff, reassamble some stuff, etc.). In SWTOR you just send your companions on a mission and that's it.
  • You had more combat options with a party of 3 (yourself and two "companions") in regards to strategy and tactics. In SWTOR you just have to hope that your only companion doesn't mess up too much.

That's only a few things that come to mind. If Bioware would some day release a Kotor3 I might still be tempted to buy it.
Exactly, even if it was true that we asked for KoTOR 3 they didnt listen then either. This game is more like WoW than anything else. The only KoTOR I get from this game is the story. Nothing else in this game is riminescent of KoTOR (well, ok, Star Wars too).

I like this game and all ... ive said multiple times that its the best MMO out there for me currently, but IF its a failure, then its definitely not because its "too much like Kotor."

P.S Ive been following this game since day 1 on the forums (2008) and dont remember any significant argument for making this game like Kotor. Even the haters who didnt want it to be an MMO at all were swiftly shot down by most of the community. So I have no idea what this writer is talking about. Hes full of it ... plain and simple.

P.S: After reading the article im thinking its full of it. Just more F2P propaganda prpbably full of lies too and totally misinformed.

A) swtor.com was open and had a forum since Oct 2008 at least! Not 3 months before release.

B) As I said above ive been a part of that community since then and never recall "make it like KoTOR" to be a hot topic ... ever. You'd think an (ex?) Bioware employee would know this.

Not saying itll never happen but this game is far from having the subs low enough to warrant f2p. Id even say the game is growing now with the free trial, and 1.3. When it gets down to 5 low/standard sized servers, like lotro had, then we'll talk f2p. For now, they stand to lose money by going f2p.

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NasherUK
07.23.2012 , 11:22 AM | #184
Doesn't suprise me really. The big name publishers/corporations (like EA) always pull that kind of crap. The guys at the top always assume they are correct and the customers and employees are idiots. Then they act all confused as to why they don't get the kind of figures they were expecting at the end of the year.

Then the fat-cats decide it's the developer's fault (or even the customers for "not knowing what they want"..) so sacks half of them, because in their own minds it can't possibly be their own bad decisions that are the problem. Basically they pass down the blame to the people who don't have enough influence/money to defend themselves. Rince repeat for the next project.

This can also be applied to governments...

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Wraiven
07.23.2012 , 11:36 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
ROFL! This is why the forums for this game can be more fun than playing the game. Thanks for the hearty chuckle.
I'm going to make that comment my sig. When this game goes free to play, I'll be sure to look you up for an apology.
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Coriolan_Martius
07.23.2012 , 12:02 PM | #186
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They blame the players? And they made it more like Kotor? What does Kotor bring to the table?
You can build your character according to a D20 ruleset (a mix of levels and skills, but the bioware version had some limited options). To those that don't know D20. It has some similarities to D&D 3.5 edition rules. DDO and NWN show how much character customization is posssible with such rulesets.
In Kotor you couldn't have only conversations with quest givers but also with lots of other NPCs (e.g. merchants).
Kotor offered more than just 3 dialog options on conversations, despite having voice acting as well.
Kotor allowed you to train your party members ("companions") as well. If that was too cumbersome for you the system could handle that for you.
The hacking profession offered more interesting options (e.g. using surveillance cameras to look beyond closed doors, activate a facility's defenses on successful hacks, etc.).
Despite the limited crafting options Kotor's crafting felt like it involved the player more (at least Kotor2 had more options than Kotor1). Go to a workbench, dissassemble some stuff, reassamble some stuff, etc.). In SWTOR you just send your companions on a mission and that's it.
You had more combat options with a party of 3 (yourself and two "companions") in regards to strategy and tactics. In SWTOR you just have to hope that your only companion doesn't mess up too much.
This!

And don't forget:

1) No pazaak or swoop racing (fun mini games)
2) No dialog choices that allow you "force persuade" for extra money or to skip combat
3) No ability to kill potential companions (e.g. Julanni)
4) No ability to gain influence and "turn" your companions (KOTOR 2)
5) No unlocking Jedi from force sensitive companions
6) No real quest chains for companions that unlock if you take certain actions
Most epic being
Spoiler

7) Shocking plot twists ... aka
Spoiler


I could go on and on. So I disagree with the article. If anything this game is too little KOTOR and too much WoW. I would happily pay for a quarterly installments of KOTOR stories with some coop / social activities thrown in ... and EA can stuff the raiding and PvP "where it don't shine".

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SirRobin
07.23.2012 , 12:08 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by Daethorz View Post
“EA blames us and to some extent they’re right to. But it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow,” he stated mentioning that gamers actually wanted SWTOR to be more like Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR), a single player role playing game by Bioware before it was acquired by EA, rather than World of Warcraft (WoW).
-http://blogs.bettor.com/Anonymous-Bi...Update-a173317
Meh... If its authentic, then it is just another example of BioWare not being able to "get it" when it came to designing and making an MMORPG. Though like with Gordon Walton and JTL, its easier to make up excuses like "RPG players just don't do 3D well," instead of accepting that you just didn't do it right.

Additionally, I don't see why everyone keeps thinking TOR will go F2P when EA's last "flagship" MMORPG, Warhammer Online, still isn't F2P and it crashed a lot harder than TOR has.

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Razot
07.23.2012 , 12:12 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
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This is all soo true, honest im an insider.
High ranking Government Official insider here..... SHHHHHHH!!!!!

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Jjix
07.23.2012 , 12:23 PM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Translation:

"SWTOR didn't cater to MY needs, so I will call it a failure and post some hyperbole about how their analysis was incorrect. I like the old MMOs where grouping was forced and the learning curve was steep. This game doesn't do that so I am going to post on the forums about it. GW2 is my new go-to game but soon I will be complaining on their forums as well."
It is all relative, right? Nothing any gamer says matters because it is only opinion and all opinion is meaningless? Except, of course, your opinion about the opinions of others . . .

Is it just opinion that SWTOR's numbers are down? Is it just opinion that the game is struggling? There has to be a reason for this . . . and if your "reason" is that gamers are whiners and that is why . . . well, isn't that saying exactly nothing?

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LordHazanko
07.23.2012 , 12:27 PM | #190
That's right bioware can't take the blame for their own mistakes, they must pond them off to us, and claim its our fault, cause as long as its not their fault then "nothing" is wrong. Right Bioware? Thanks for taking my money along with so many other customers money and claiming all the problems of this game is our fault and has nothing to do with you at all, being the creators any everything.... Bad move on your end, you don't derserve jobs, I hope the game does die off and you all get fired and live under a bridge like hobos.

Sincerly yours,
A greatly disappointed customer.