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DarthTHC
07.23.2012 , 08:10 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
Only time will tell if this is true or not. Either way with the EA investor call looming this week, they must be crapping themselves with the huge drop in subs. Especially as those with 6 month subs would have lapsed. Despite EA throwing everything at this with free trials, free months, extra days plays etc - you simply cant polish a t**d
Six month subs aren't gone yet. With the free 30 days EA gave away to pad the numbers for the last investor call, the 6-month subs that started on Day 1 are active until mid August. I'm interested in seeing the numbers though.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tmanarl View Post
Where the hell is he getting this information from?? Pretty sure I've been a member since October 2008, and the official forums opened on October 21st, 2008, NOT the September date that was quoted in the original article.

Either the so called "insider" is an idiot or the article author is.
What do you mean by "or"? Can't it be both?

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Valkirus
07.23.2012 , 08:21 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Wow, found a spot we differ in opinion!

A moddable UI is going to become a key, expected feature in any modern MMO. WoW set the bar. TSW has it. It will be interesting to see if ESO does it.

There are certainly ways to abuse a moddable UI, but they can be policed effectively. For example, Blizzard did a pretty good job of policing them - they kill them quickly enough when they're clearly exploits.

This is yet another example of, "What were they thinking?!?!?!?' brought to you by the BioWare Austin devs. They got a lot right with this game but I think their hubris led them to get so much more wrong. You have to ship with the expected features then build your cool new stuff (story/voiceover in this game's case) on top of that. Just like you can't expect fantastic smart phone connectivity in your car's stereo to sell it if it has manual steering, manual brakes, manual windows, and no air conditioning, so should you not expect story and voiceover to carry the day in a game whose features are 8+ years behind the curve.
It is ok to disagree. The one problem I have with mods/addons is...they can become so heavily used, the content encounter will become much more complicated , because the developers know the player base will be using them to make the game easier for them. DBM and Decursive is two which come to mind as a absolutely needed feature by many raiders in WOW. So they feel the need to design the encounter based on that . Thus it will extend over to a lack of not using them being a disadvantage.

I need to point out, I have done a lot of raiding without using them. Not up to heroic mode. But back in Vanilla WoW, MC, ZG and AQ for example. And TBC with Kara, Grull's Lair , SC. Same type of raiding in WOTLK, etc. One thing I really enjoy about the raiding in LFR in WoW is no need to use any mods to succeed and no pressure by anyone to use them. Yes the encounters are not as tough as normal and heroic as the rewards are also not as good. But I am ok with that. I can do them at my best times with less hassle.

I am one of the few WoW players who has never, not once..had to reset his UI. And it makes me chuckle when they do a big patch and all those I know who use them are having issues until the mod creators come out with update to thier mods for the new patch. It is a time I enjoy poking fun at my friends who use them when they do. It is all done with respectful humor however.
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Goretzu
07.23.2012 , 08:24 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Six month subs aren't gone yet. With the free 30 days EA gave away to pad the numbers for the last investor call, the 6-month subs that started on Day 1 are active until mid August. I'm interested in seeing the numbers though.

I think it's probably too coincidental for this latest batch of silence to not be related to the investor call.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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HarleysRule
07.23.2012 , 08:28 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Thats false, infact swg was a themepark game with sandbox elements, if you cant see that then you do not understand what themepark or sandbox are. The loudest were the ones calling for addons, recount and a content level equal to wow, arenas etc etc etc.

Infact the only difference is that swgs 4th pillar was sandbox elements.
SWG at launch wasn't a sandbox? Oh my...

Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
I think it's probably too coincidental for this latest batch of silence to not be related to the investor call.
They don't HAVE to give sub numbers, and now that they are surely under 1 million, they probably won't.

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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 08:29 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
I think it's probably too coincidental for this latest batch of silence to not be related to the investor call.
If you mean silence on the forums that can be down to one of 2 things, the people that came here to bash the game only and never gave it a chance had 3 month subs which coincidently is the exact time the forums became less hate filled by a long way and the second is that people who were activly trolling and attacking people will have built up forum infractions and finaly banned from the forums thus there silence.
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 08:33 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
SWG at launch wasn't a sandbox? Oh my...
No swg at launch was a themepark game, how hard is it for you to read, let me explain something to you. Second life is sandbox, swg was themepark with sandbox elements.

Having player housing doesnt make a sandbox game, rift has playerhousing so are you now proclaiming that rift is now a sandbox game or a themepark game. STO has player created quests so are you saying that is a sandbox. so please tell us when does a themepark game become a sandbox game in your eyes.
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Goretzu
07.23.2012 , 08:33 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
They don't HAVE to give sub numbers, and now that they are surely under 1 million, they probably won't.
So they don't have to list subs for shareholders for games under 1,000,000 subs?
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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DarthTHC
07.23.2012 , 08:35 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
If you mean silence on the forums that can be down to one of 2 things, the people that came here to bash the game only and never gave it a chance had 3 month subs which coincidently is the exact time the forums became less hate filled by a long way and the second is that people who were activly trolling and attacking people will have built up forum infractions and finaly banned from the forums thus there silence.
Your theory is that a large number of people spent over $100 just to troll the forums for 3 months?

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TUXs
07.23.2012 , 08:35 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
If you mean silence on the forums that can be down to one of 2 things, the people that came here to bash the game only and never gave it a chance had 3 month subs which coincidently is the exact time the forums became less hate filled by a long way and the second is that people who were activly trolling and attacking people will have built up forum infractions and finaly banned from the forums thus there silence.
No, I think he clearly means Bioware's silence. Bioware treats their customers like they don't matter. We're not even worth a 60 second forum post daily. When Bioware gives us no hope, the changing attitude on the forums is to be expected. Silence->discontent->frustration->anger
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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 08:35 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
So they don't have to list subs for shareholders for games under 1,000,000 subs?
Actually duder no they dont, they are not requested to, many years wow didnt give sub numbers in investor calls. they only have to state net and gross profit and net and gross lose. How they will improve growth and profits and what they have planned for there investment.
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731