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Valkirus
07.23.2012 , 06:41 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Dejoblue View Post
The people that wanted to play KOTOR 3, GOT to play KOTOR 3 and left. Many others were forced into a linear leveling experience that was nothing more than an interactive movie with no MMO or end game at the end. Who is left are the players that wanted to play an MMO, although many like myself wanted an MMO (NOT KOTOR 3) and got to the end, yes the end, and there was nothing.

The story was great. The voice acting was great, but I hated that it was voice acted at all. I CAN READ, THANK YOU. I WANT to read. Same difference between a movie and a book, the book is ALWAYS better, you get to imagine the voices yourself, make them into your own character, your own version.

One of the biggest mistakes was the on rails class questing system. I am not saying it was not a cool experience, it was, but it was like playing a single player game and this huge investment into exclusive class story/quest lines was at the expense of storylines and quests that everyone can do. This on rails exclusive class system with nothing else available took out a large chunk of what could have made an open world where you get to roam around and do what quests you want to do.

You were also all but forced to do every, single, quest. ALL of the Bonus series', simply because you needed the XP. XP was pretty scarce to find, and this is coming from a veteran EQ2, AOC, WOW, RIFT player. It is as if they made all the quests, then got out their calculator and divided the total xp to get to 50 by the number of quests in the game, total. Terrible.

If you want more story you have to start over, and play a different class. This is counter to the point of an MMO, persistence for the sake of progression of your character. I dont want to play every single class to get ANY more story.

I got my BH to 50 and it wasn't the fantastic leveling experience many claim. It was a lonely experience. I even leveled with good friends and it was a PITA to organize all three of us to go here and there and then find out that so and so has to get to this point in their class quest to pick up this other quest so everyone can progress together at the same time. Much time was spent on our own part of the map doing small class quests to get to bosses where we all trudged to each others boss to help. Very single player and tedious.

Open world and quest system that everyone regardless of class can access, not on rails exclusive storylines that force you to abandon your character and start over to experience other content.
Gameplay, not Voice acting
MMO, not tacked on multiplayer. (it is as if none of the developers ever played an MMO, SOOO many basic features missing, still missing.)
Very well said. This is exactly my experence also. Great game experence up to the end of level 50 played as KOTOR 3. But serously lacking in terms of wanting to do any long time investment as a MMO. And this basically what I tell others now asking about it. Buy the game, play one class to level 50..enjoy the experence, but be careful about subbing. Do only one month at a time. Because for many it turned out to be a great single player game. But not worth a sub.
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Valkirus
07.23.2012 , 06:51 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt_Latency View Post
What point?? WoW has a system that gives them a much better overall UI.

If you choose not to use it, thats your fault.

It's like me saying WoW story is better because I choose not to do SW:ToR story
My fault? Lol! I donot think I have made any mistake by not using any mods in WoW. Should'nt have to or is it needed. I enjoy and still play WoW with it's default UI. I allways look at any games for comparision as they are. Not how they can be if modded. That said, I would prefer if WoW's was customizable like TOR's is. And why it is not is Blizzard's fault. BioWare has made some mistakes, but not allowing mods/addons in the game is certainly not one of them in my opinion. I fully support that decision.
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Redat
07.23.2012 , 07:30 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Simply due to strength of voice, the ones that shout the loudest are the ones generally heard. not all people were screaming for a wow clone but the majority on the forums in the start were mainly the generation that had only ever had wow. People back then that were enjoying the game were not on the forums, they were ingame playing the storys.

Anyone back then that countered the we must have more features like X, or saying these are standard features in the industry were pummeled to death. If anyone even mentioned alterantive gamestyles or features even now gets such a reaction that it detters others from speaking up.
QFT!

I myself have been a more than vocal supporter of new and innovative ways to make an MMo more appealing HOWEVER, making SWTOR into a WoW homage is not the way to go. Many WoW players came here and were utterly gutted that this game does not have the same features, etc, we've seen it for months over the forums......but if this formula was sooooooo good why leave WoW?

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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 07:36 AM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by Redat View Post
QFT!

I myself have been a more than vocal supporter of new and innovative ways to make an MMo more appealing HOWEVER, making SWTOR into a WoW homage is not the way to go. Many WoW players came here and were utterly gutted that this game does not have the same features, etc, we've seen it for months over the forums......but if this formula was sooooooo good why leave WoW?
And you hit on the key thing, they arnt after wow now or the wow thats coming, they are after wow then, be it either vannila, tbc or wrath. They dont want panda and pokemon wow with stripped down talents so as they know that there is no way on earth that blizzard will back down they are migrating from game to game to try and recreate what they had before in new games.

And they care not what it will do to the game and dictate to people who want a new game that there way of playing, how they want to play or what they want in game is either not possible or somehow doesnt fit as we are in war and isnt consistant with a game even though the game hasnt been out a year and has no consistancy yet,
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

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HarleysRule
07.23.2012 , 07:38 AM | #115
IIRC the people demanding a SWG clone were the loudest voices prelaunch. They were also the loudest ragequitters in January when they were somehow shocked this wasn't a SWG clone, despite the fact the devs were quite clear this was going to be a standard themepark game with the added 4th pillar of story.

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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 07:41 AM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
IIRC the people demanding a SWG clone were the loudest voices prelaunch. They were also the loudest ragequitters in January when they were somehow shocked this wasn't a SWG clone, despite the fact the devs were quite clear this was going to be a standard themepark game with the added 4th pillar of story.
Thats false, infact swg was a themepark game with sandbox elements, if you cant see that then you do not understand what themepark or sandbox are. The loudest were the ones calling for addons, recount and a content level equal to wow, arenas etc etc etc.

Infact the only difference is that swgs 4th pillar was sandbox elements.
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

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DarthTHC
07.23.2012 , 07:44 AM | #117
I'm not buying that this is any sort of insider. There's nothing really compelling in the article. Any troll with a modest level of experience playing MMOs could have written that. Heck, it seems to have even less intelligent content than I could fabricate and I'm certainly not an insider.

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DarthTHC
07.23.2012 , 07:50 AM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
My fault? Lol! I donot think I have made any mistake by not using any mods in WoW. Should'nt have to or is it needed. I enjoy and still play WoW with it's default UI. I allways look at any games for comparision as they are. Not how they can be if modded. That said, I would prefer if WoW's was customizable like TOR's is. And why it is not is Blizzard's fault. BioWare has made some mistakes, but not allowing mods/addons in the game is certainly not one of them in my opinion. I fully support that decision.
Wow, found a spot we differ in opinion!

A moddable UI is going to become a key, expected feature in any modern MMO. WoW set the bar. TSW has it. It will be interesting to see if ESO does it.

There are certainly ways to abuse a moddable UI, but they can be policed effectively. For example, Blizzard did a pretty good job of policing them - they kill them quickly enough when they're clearly exploits.

This is yet another example of, "What were they thinking?!?!?!?' brought to you by the BioWare Austin devs. They got a lot right with this game but I think their hubris led them to get so much more wrong. You have to ship with the expected features then build your cool new stuff (story/voiceover in this game's case) on top of that. Just like you can't expect fantastic smart phone connectivity in your car's stereo to sell it if it has manual steering, manual brakes, manual windows, and no air conditioning, so should you not expect story and voiceover to carry the day in a game whose features are 8+ years behind the curve.

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DarthMaulUK
07.23.2012 , 07:51 AM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
I'm not buying that this is any sort of insider. There's nothing really compelling in the article. Any troll with a modest level of experience playing MMOs could have written that. Heck, it seems to have even less intelligent content than I could fabricate and I'm certainly not an insider.
Only time will tell if this is true or not. Either way with the EA investor call looming this week, they must be crapping themselves with the huge drop in subs. Especially as those with 6 month subs would have lapsed. Despite EA throwing everything at this with free trials, free months, extra days plays etc - you simply cant polish a t**d

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Tmanarl
07.23.2012 , 08:07 AM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by OriginalArticle
Fans have called him out and claim that Bioware is just pointing fingers for their own failure as they opened the official forums on September 12, 2011 where as the game came out three months later on December 20, 2011. It is hard to believe that three months worth of fan feedback could influence the game that was in development since 2006.
Where the hell is he getting this information from?? Pretty sure I've been a member since October 2008, and the official forums opened on October 21st, 2008, NOT the September date that was quoted in the original article.

Either the so called "insider" is an idiot or the article author is.
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