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Descent
07.23.2012 , 05:04 AM | #101
Any good developer knows that the player is not always right (this isn't retail).

We could point fingers all day, but ultimately, Bioware was in control of the development process; and therefore they are responsible for delivering what has emerged as a bad game.
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Senden
07.23.2012 , 05:09 AM | #102
Don't know how BW can pass the blame.. they never listened to us at all. From day one they said they were making the game they wanted to. If they had listened to us, maybe they'd have acted on the fact the worlds all seem dead and lack any sort of soul.

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DarthMaulUK
07.23.2012 , 05:21 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Daethorz View Post
People are mistaking a MMO for a WoW.
I want a new MMO bioware not a new WoW.
This.
We already have Wow(and hundreds of clones) and they have ALL failed to topple WoW in terms of numbers. Before Bioware did anything, the first question they should have asked themselves was -

"Why would I want to leave a game that I have invested 4-5 years of my life playing?"

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ImperialSun
07.23.2012 , 05:27 AM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
If they'd taken the best bits of SWG (and not the bad bits), a dash of the best bits for WAR (RvR and PvP mechanics) and the best bits of SWTOR, then they'd have had a truely astounding game.
This ^^....

I'm struggling to believe that anyone thinks of the 'insider' post as credible though...

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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 05:33 AM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
This.
We already have Wow(and hundreds of clones) and they have ALL failed to topple WoW in terms of numbers. Before Bioware did anything, the first question they should have asked themselves was -

"Why would I want to leave a game that I have invested 4-5 years of my life playing?"
No one will ever beat wow at there own game its as simple as that, wow has such a back catalogue on content and features that no one could compete with it simply due to time constraints, yes companys can get close to what they have now but by the time they got to what they have when they started to create it wow has moved on and thus moved the goal posts yet again.

Near everyone is bored to tears of the grudge and grime of getting this armour and then must do content for the next armour, not for the content itself though, they do new content for new gear. Once content in this enviorment has been 'farmed' so everyone is geared then that content is irrelivent and dead content. to those players.

This added with the fact that wows core fanbase are fanatics and bliz could burn there house down and they would never leave, so no matter what you do they wont leave wow for another game so trying to tempt them is a waste of resources. Part of that core specifically buy games with the intention of never leaving wow and just discrediting the new game on the block to defend wow.

Bioware need to take the theme they have now which even if they say its not is a geargrind and add extra elements to it. if they do not and simply try to keep up with wow they are doomed to fail at getting any bigger then they are right now. And i totaly agree with you, there are hundreds of games that do the exact same thing as wow and have failed or stagnated, some survive others have disapeared into the dust of time.
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Redat
07.23.2012 , 05:43 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
This. Well said. IF BioWare tried to copy WoW, they did a poor job of it. It is in some ways better than WoW, but falls short in other ways. IF they had taken the best parts of WoW and then added what TOR has which is better, then TOR indeed would have been a much better game.
What am I reading? I was under the impression (from the QQ on the forums anyway) that players have been screaming for "WoW" features for months, almost turning this game into a badly done WoW homage. Why is it now, after all this wasted time and effort that, wait, no we dont want another WoW......Kids are fickle and dont know what they want, and EA is asking players about the direction of the game? Blind leading the blind.

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Shingara
07.23.2012 , 05:46 AM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Redat View Post
What am I reading? I was under the impression (from the QQ on the forums anyway) that players have been screaming for "WoW" features for months, almost turning this game into a badly done WoW homage. Why is it now, after all this wasted time and effort that, wait, no we dont want another WoW......Kids are fickle and dont know what they want, and EA is asking players about the direction of the game? Blind leading the blind.
Simply due to strength of voice, the ones that shout the loudest are the ones generally heard. not all people were screaming for a wow clone but the majority on the forums in the start were mainly the generation that had only ever had wow. People back then that were enjoying the game were not on the forums, they were ingame playing the storys.

Anyone back then that countered the we must have more features like X, or saying these are standard features in the industry were pummeled to death. If anyone even mentioned alterantive gamestyles or features even now gets such a reaction that it detters others from speaking up.
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turjake
07.23.2012 , 05:46 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
This.
We already have Wow(and hundreds of clones) and they have ALL failed to topple WoW in terms of numbers. Before Bioware did anything, the first question they should have asked themselves was -

"Why would I want to leave a game that I have invested 4-5 years of my life playing?"
Because you get eventually bored? Ofcourse you wont after that pick another game which offers just the same.

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DarthMaulUK
07.23.2012 , 06:01 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by turjake View Post
Because you get eventually bored? Ofcourse you wont after that pick another game which offers just the same.
Indeed. I think if Bioware asked that question before starting out, it wouldnt drop 700,000 players in such a short space of time.

SWTOR should have and needed to offer something different and not just 'story'. Development was way too safe. I dont like WoW its simply dull but yet its changed the face of MMO gaming for the worst - as developers now think that this is the formula people want - WRONG!

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SvnStrSlm
07.23.2012 , 06:21 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
This. Well said. IF BioWare tried to copy WoW, they did a poor job of it. It is in some ways better than WoW, but falls short in other ways. IF they had taken the best parts of WoW and then added what TOR has which is better, then TOR indeed would have been a much better game.
I think most people wish all new mmos could launch with close to 10 years of live ingame feedback and developement. My god some people will just never understand. Game is fun, I have not cleared all the content and am enjoying PVP and PVE. I will say crafting is lame but then again i could really give a poop about crafting in any game. Vanguard had amazing crafting. Game is young and will contiue to mature. To the OP you basicly just dont like the game for what it is so you are doing the right thing. y not playing. just dont linger around the forums talking about how much you dislike stuff. Not to mention if you have geared out all of you guys and companions if bh gear you have way to much time for a new mmo. you should go play something with a few more years under its belt.