Enough is enough!

PvE Server.

/thread

This thread is so funny!
Plus Ive been called an immature sociopath in this thread. Thanx for the flowers and candy I am flattered, but could you please throw in knuckle dragger as well....

Red is dead and if you joined a PVP server and cant deal with that well thats all on you! BTW is that a hint of peppermint in your tears? How did you get that in its delicious..

Im actually a very nice guy outside of loving open world PVP its just a game, I kill 50s or get killed by other 50s its all just the fun of being on a PVP server. So no I don't go running around ganking lowbies for cheap kicks although it would be great if it would actually bring on a response from other sides geared high level people so we could fight for planet control for our lowbies to grind up but everyone is just in WZ's grinding WH gear and no response will come so its just pointless to gank on lowbies. Sad!

Gave me a chuckle also.

...and thank you for extrapolating out the intent of my post and furthering the inclusion of rational thought in this thread and discussion. ;p

This is your personal opinion of game play, no different then the personal opinion of the other million or so players playing this game. Though it seems rational compared to some, it still carries no weight beyond that as it does not dictate the actual rules governing play, but just your own idea of such. That is why there are rules of conduct concerning such games, so as to maintain some order and not allow each individual to design their own game around themselves, especially when their personal design interferes with the game play of others.

Regardless of how powerful one may feel they are, or how in control of this game they may feel they are, the rules are the rules. If their personal opinion or personal gameplay style conflicts with the rules set forth in the, Rules of Conduct, regardless of how justified their personal opinion may seem to them, they will be warned and then banned.

Yeah, but if I read the op right, these are not people openly attacking him either. These are players who are too much of a coward to face other people on even ground so they chase mobs onto them to improve their chances. From the way the original post sounded and then later was confirmed, the players are only sticking around close enough to watch the carnage but not close enough to allow the other fraction a chance at fighting back because they have no real intention of actual PVP either, they just want to exploit the area around them to make the other fraction have to PVE against more mobs then the individual can handle.

it would be like if someone hacked the game and made sure warzones favored their side 10 to 1 because they knew they wouldn't win if the odds were closer.

This is also why I avoid PVP servers. Whether or not the devs intended the mobs to be used like this or if it is an exploit or not, there is no denying that a huge chunk of people on pvp servers really do act like little bullying kids who camp way lower level players more than actually like fair fighting. The general philosophy is after they have to suffer for 50 levels (or whatever max level is at the time), it is now their turn to make others suffer and assure they spend their leveling time also frustrated and not having anywhere near as much fun. This is an endless loop

You have been nothing but a smart a** with every post you have given. I view you as the child who won't stay out of an adult conversation. So I will tell you like I would a child who *thinks* he/she is old enough to join in and won't stop yapping their trap. ****.

Yeah, I'd agree that BW is bumping up against the limits of player tolerances on the quantity of grind elements in this game. Turbine got really bad about that too in LOTRO.

The question is, what fun stuff SHOULD the devs come up with, INSTEAD of more grinding? More to the point, what CAN they do here in SWTOR until they figure out how to get more than a dozen player characters on-screen at the same time without the whole thing bogging down? I thought the rakghoul-plague world event was a lot of fun, especially on our PvP server. Fights erupting on isolated corners of Tatooine = lots of OWPvP goodness. And they were spread out enough not to bog down servers in any one area. IMHO, tons more fun than these dumb fights in the heroic areas. Incentivized, too.

Things like this are the only thing that separate a pvp server and a pve one.
Crying about it is hilarious.
A week or 2 ago I saw at least 4 people complaining about 1 guy doing this.....
So I say "hey there's 4 of you, why don't you group up and kill him?"
They come back with "Well why don't you?"
"Um, I'm not the one whining in general chat about it."


I swear that actually happened, pretty much word for word.....
it really illustrates the intelligence of the people complaining about PvP on a PvP server(if complaining about pvp didn't illustrate it in and of itself).

I'm sorry dude, but if all you really cared about was the devs interpretation and opinion, you would have done this through an im or a ticket to a csr.
The fact that you brought this to the forums shows you wanted attention from the players.
So don't go whining that everyone is picking on you when you brought the attention on yourself.

The reason I haven't been playing on a pvp server yet is because I don't want to be griefed while learning the game.
When I feel I have the basic mechanics down of the class I want to play, I will roll a toon on a pvp server.
And while there may be a "code" that certain people follow, remember that on a pvp server, anything goes.
You can't expect everyone to abide by the unwritten code.

No, I am not. Your wall of text completely misses the point. The mob training is just one of many ways in which a a player or players can "versus" another player. You know what PVP stands for right? I will give you a hint: It doesn't stand for "one group of equally matched players versus another group of equally matched players only at time and place that all of them agree upon". That's NOT even PvP it is a "arena/battleground/warzone" etc. It's completely contrived and pointless and PvP for PvEers who only pretend to PvP.

Look, it's not even that I disagree with you that this sort of thing is annoying and on some level cowardly and may even be being done by those who can't or don't want an even or fair fight. That's all true. It's also real PvP, which is (with the exception of hacks) ANY way in which players can compete, fight, impact, etc. other player's characters in the game world. If that happens, it's PvP. Even if it wasn't intended by the game devs and they eventually fix it, it's still PvP. Coming up with contrivances and minutae in a misguided effort to try to restrict the definition of PvP to the point where it is just PvE with voluntary PvP off to one side is the clarion call of the PvEer.

Regarding the grandoise statements about noble purposes, I was only speaking for myself and my guild in other games. That's why WE did it. I could give a s**t less whether you still think it's griefing or whether you believe me or not. I acknowledge that other people may have more base motives.

The longer the redefinition of PvP gymnastics continue the more crystal clear it becomes that you are PvEers and guess what? THERE ARE ALREADY SERVERS for you. Start using them. But then you would have nothing to complain about, right?



Excellent post. This guy totally gets it.

Look, if there were only one kind of server and PvEers and pretend PvPers were subject to this mob training behavior whether they liked or not, then there would be a legitimate cause for discussion. But you types already have an entire ruleset of servers (PvE) to protect you from non-consensual player vs. player interactions (whether you want to split heirs and start parsing PvP into different types like griefing, real PvP, fair PvP etc. makes no difference).

How about you start using those PvE servers, eh?