To the Anonymous Insider

You can make a viable MMORPG without a PvP stat, but it is a much, much harder path.

WARs the only one I can think of that's managed it.

I believe that insider. Its pretty much what has been going on. To put the blame on the public is wrong though. Bioware has made bad decision after bad decision, its not the publics fault for doing so. There were alot of great things, in beta, that were removed because of whining. Another poster gave a perfect example of the mod system being totally dumbed down because people couldnt figure it out. It was a far better mod system then we have now. Even the green trash loot was modable... everything was modable. Good classes were changed for the worst. We used to have to goto planets for dungeons and such... as there was no fleet until last beta.

The insider is most likely a degruntled, laid off employee but he is probably speaking the truth in his eyes. As for the full article, I found a big error in the writing. "as they opened the official forums on September 12, 2011 where as the game came out three months later on December 20, 2011. It is hard to believe that three months worth of fan feedback could influence the game that was in development since 2006." Thats just simply not true. The forums were open years before release.

You can make a viable MMORPG without a PvP stat, but it is a much, much harder path.

WARs the only one I can think of that's managed it.

Why people feel that their opinion is held by the majority I'll never know. Just as a counterpoint to the above. I've played WoW since release, and SWTOR is definitely, in my opinion, not WoW in space. If it was my son would still be subscribed, my grandson would still be playing, and I wouldn't be considering cancelling my subscription.

I watched the Star Wars movies when they were released but would by no means classify myself as a Star Wars fan. I neven played KoTAR and until I came to this game I never even knew it existed. I've been playing on-line games and MMOs for 10 years. Including LoTRO, AION, Rift, WoW, TERA, etc. You would be surprised how many others there are like me.

If I were to guess, people like me are who BIO/EA was hoping to attract and retain, and it doesn't seem to be happening.

I don't want a single player, lone wolf game. I've enjoyed that part of the game, but now that I'm almost done with the story-lines I'll probably unsubscribe soon.

WoW has an enormous number of things to do outside of PvP and raiding. Events, some weekly some monthly some on special occasions. Achievements, pets to collect, Archaeology, and on and on. The world is interesting to explore and engaging. Even 8 years later I enjoy occasionally just logging in to WoW and flying around. Even with fewer people per sever if feels more populated to me.

Honestly, as much as I liked some of the story, I now space bar through everything except the class quests I haven't done yet. The could have spent some of that voice over money more productively elsewhere.

Here`s the thing.. he THINKS that gamers wanted... just like Bioware did. 7 months later, when story can`t maintain a healthy population and their subs are going South.. they are beginning to sober up.

You see.. people actually wanted a "real MMO", not KoToR with a sub, because, at the end of the day, a MMO can only be a MMO and can only break so many rules...

Oh, and as far as this game being an exact copy of WoW? BS. As someone who played wow from launch through Cata, this game is MORE unlike WoW than every AAA mmo to release since WoW launched.