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I will NEVER be bored with SWTOR!

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I will NEVER be bored with SWTOR!

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Soluss
07.21.2012 , 06:42 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Inzuher View Post
Canceling your account is the worst thing you could do! A drop in subscrips just means that EA will be giving less resources to Bioware, the X properly don't even look into why the subs are dropping.
If more people would only understand this.

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Darth_Pants
07.21.2012 , 06:44 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Folky View Post
I don't know myself, none of my 5 toons are 50 and honestly I'm in no hurry since I hear endgame is a grind and sucks. Just like that other game. I wish companies would divert from that grind.

Man, why is it MMO's before endgame are so much fun..oh well..
Gear treadmill. That's why. No creativity in endgame design. Continued cut and paste of standard mmo design. They add huge time sinks into getting things you want out of the game and then continually shift the goal line. You are constantly chasing something you will never catch. And paying for the right to do it.

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Cindikle
07.21.2012 , 06:44 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post

Yap He sure is.

You can play TOR solo. No doubts there. But it has both types if you want. If you don't want to group you don't HAVE to. That's the beauty of it. An mmo is simply playing with a lot of people together online at the same time. That's it Consider it a....hybrid. Grouped content, if you want. Solo, if you want
This game has two things.
Story / Voiceacting - This is where most of those millions went. They did a good job on it. Sadly it gets old mashing spacebar. I'm the type of person that rarely watches a movie twice. I'd love an option to skip the choices and automaticly pick the dark side one. This can force me to not get any bonus social points or companion points. I'm perfectly fine with that. To me after I've already seen it, all it does is take me out of the experience. Out of the environment.

Gearing System - It's unique. And I love it. Gearing is less about getting that lucky drop and more about managing your options. They still have choices in drops, but it is not the end all of gearing.
Now the down side. Most of the gear really isn't creative. There should be some "classic" looks out there. Why do I feel like my Marauder wishes he was a Cyborg? Why do I have to dress like Vader? This is mostly my opinion though. The rest is how we get those gearing items. With this system they have in the game, why are we buying gear? Why am I not spending 25-30 comms for a mod instead of 50 for an armor to spend 30k to pull one mod out, then to sell the armor back for ~10k? Change it so we buy the mods, and bosses drop double the comms, but these comms instead buy mods over gear(2/3 of what you normally get). They could easily balance the cost so that it doesn't make gearing too much easier, just less annoying. Then throw a credit cost to the mods to balance the loss of removing them. (10k for example, as not everyone removes their mods).

To me those are the strong points of this game. And they are not taking full advantage of making the experience more enjoyable. I could of course continue, but it would just turn into me complaining about how they are just not using the tools they gave themselves.

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and you just contradicted yourself "I never said the game is single player. I am just saying he is paying for a single player experience." Sorry to tell you, but that's saying the same thing as you thought you didn't say in the first post you made.
He's saying that he's not using the full $15 a month he's paying for if he is only playing for the single players. Not the same thing.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sarfux View Post

Takes a LONG time for you to actually experience and immerse yourself in the game. This game isn't all about level cap buddy. It's the wrong game for that. It's about making alts, getting legacy stuff, trying out new ways to make your choices than last time. Sometimes even in the third go arounds you realize you missed a lot of stuff of the things the people say. You realize more things.
This is a MMO. It is overall a WoW clone type MMO. The idea behind it is to cater to multiple people's way of playing. This is not The Sims: Star Wars edition. This is the game that's supposed to feel like the KOTOR universe. You found what you wanted to do. I am happy to hear that. They got that part of the game right.

So then:
Leveling system: Great
PvP: OK, gear dependent(expertise) and some classes still need things balanced properly(dps sorcs)
Raiding: Still doing those same 4 bosses. 1 more if you include Nightmare Pilgrim. They said they wanted to push content out faster than this. They really have not delivered. I've had a few guildies quit because they were so bored of it. Either needed more bosses or sooner updates. I play for the epic battles. Completing that challenge.

Also the legacy system is put in horribly. If they wanted more credit sinks, give us something fun to buy. More gadgets, more speeders, more toys, mini pets or something pricy but worth it through crafting. Then put a cap on the # of dailies you can do. Or better yet, make them all weeklies, then put a cap on weeklies.
Legacy system = Rewards you for playing by letting you play more to buy perks to play more.

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KhamG
07.21.2012 , 06:55 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
If more people would only understand this.
Understand?

Are you saying that people leaving a game that they feel are not giving them their money's worth is due to a lack of understanding? Now, if BW spent all the resources they had left on same-sex romances do you think that would be a good thing for the game? Really?

(If the different-sex romances are any indication... I'd rather that they didn't bother tbh)

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Soluss
07.21.2012 , 07:03 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by KhamG View Post
Understand?

Are you saying that people leaving a game that they feel are not giving them their money's worth is due to a lack of understanding? Now, if BW spent all the resources they had left on same-sex romances do you think that would be a good thing for the game? Really?

(If the different-sex romances are any indication... I'd rather that they didn't bother tbh)
I didnt really mean it in the context of the person I quoted. What I mean is people dont understand that less subscription means less content (in a nutshell).

And hell no spending all their resources on same sex romance is not good for the game. Im sure there are lots that want it but in the grand scheme of things its such a small thing that it should be backburnered IMO. I mean its just a "hey wanna go back there? yeah lets go! <black screen> That was amazing"

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Darth_Pants
07.21.2012 , 07:08 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
I didnt really mean it in the context of the person I quoted. What I mean is people dont understand that less subscription means less content (in a nutshell).

And hell no spending all their resources on same sex romance is not good for the game. Im sure there are lots that want it but in the grand scheme of things its such a small thing that it should be backburnered IMO. I mean its just a "hey wanna go back there? yeah lets go! <black screen> That was amazing"
Logic fail. If ppl quit, it does not affect them if new content is added or not.

BW/ea/you cannot expect ppl to continue to sub to a game they are not enjoying or even playing with the hope that one day it might get better.

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Soluss
07.21.2012 , 07:15 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Pants View Post
Logic fail. If ppl quit, it does not affect them if new content is added or not.

BW/ea/you cannot expect ppl to continue to sub to a game they are not enjoying or even playing with the hope that one day it might get better.
Im talking about people that are happy with the game that are telling people to go back wow. Those people are the ones who dont understand that < subs = < content.

You know what, nm. Its pointless.

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Cindikle
07.21.2012 , 07:16 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Inzuher View Post
Canceling your account is the worst thing you could do! A drop in subscrips just means that EA will be giving less resources to Bioware, the X properly don't even look into why the subs are dropping.
That's part of the problem. They had A LOT of resources to make the game worth playing at launch. Leveling was good, but buggy. Expected of a new MMO. It was overall a very good launch. Then you hit endgame. Find out that if you didn't pick Biochem you failed. That every other profession is almost worthless because you will be getting your gear from raiding/flashpoints or warzones and there's nothing your crafting can do to match that. That most of the PvE endgame is buggy as hell and hardly worth doing. Being max level added nothing to do if you hit 50 too early. As there was nothing to go after. Sure you could do datacrons. You could go farm dalies. But you can do that type of stuff in any MMORPG. You had nothing to really farm for.

Endgame at launch was a failure. Was it most of their own fault for leveling so quick? Yes. But honestly if you leveled as a group it went so fast even if you watch every cutscene.

This game as it is now, is how it should of been when the game came out. It runs smoother, has some of the much needed features that a standard MMO should just have. Crafting isn't as horrible. But it still lacks any challenges or feel of epicness for crafting anything special.

If someone who quits isn't enjoying themselves why should they care if the game doesn't get their $15 a month?
This game has(had?) so much potential to be amazing. The Soa fight, although buggy as can be, was unique. I can't think of a fight in WoW that had moving floors. They were all fought in a room, where you move on the same floor. Maybe they added more after Cata's first raid. But as far as I know, Nef was as close to this as they got. I never saw Rift have it or any other MMO have that kind of battle.
The unique gearing system
The worlds
Space combat
Star Wars!
This game has so much to work with to make it great. I understand it's probably the hero engine. But it still feels like the game was built while thinking of leveling and everything else was slapped on to make the WoW people happy. Another game EA put in to try to overshadow Activision. Like they did with Battlefield vs CoD. Luckly BF did get better. Although still lacking a lot of what made it battlefield.

I love this game, I love what my mind sees it can become. But for me I'm mostly just here to raid with my guild. And if they give up and move to another MMO again. I will follow without a second thought. Because that's all that's holding me here.

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Cindikle
07.21.2012 , 07:24 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
I didnt really mean it in the context of the person I quoted. What I mean is people dont understand that less subscription means less content (in a nutshell).

And hell no spending all their resources on same sex romance is not good for the game. Im sure there are lots that want it but in the grand scheme of things its such a small thing that it should be backburnered IMO. I mean its just a "hey wanna go back there? yeah lets go! <black screen> That was amazing"
They're still calling the game a success. Honestly if they have over 500k subs it is. They don't need millions of sumbs to make a MMO full of content. And again I'll reference Rift. 350k subs in March. They still bring out content and features into the game. With a much less budget and no major corporation to back them up.

Resources is not the problem.

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makaiyuugi
07.21.2012 , 08:02 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by JoseSilva View Post
Hmmm dont you think the problem is that you paying 15dollares month to play single player?
and the problem is?