After finally getting into the GW2 beta..

Do you honestly think SWTOR is a good game.

Really?

The whole point of SWTOR is to have the best leveling experience while playing the game that is possible in an mmo! They have stated that from the beginning! The whole darn game is the endgame here...why don't people get that!? It's an experience..not just "lol...game begins at 50 scrub" mmo. It's an actual experience!

The one thing that I really dislike about GW2 is the way my character floats over the ground and that the ground is being pulled towards you, instead of the character is actually walking. After playing months of SWTOR, where characters actually makes contact to the ground, it was a real annoyance to me. Maybe even a gamebreaker.

That's really very fine talk.. but if they were thinking that way, why would they include a gear treadmill endgame that virtually lacks any story at all? And not update their stories for 7+ months?

Look, I'm trying to stay neutral and objective on the GW2 vs SWTOR debate, but it's plain that many people in this thread simply aren't trying that. It's the typical flame-fest that erupts prior to any new MMO release on any MMO forum ever - the battle of the supporters versus the haters versus the terrified-of-change versus the terrified-that-their-already-weak-community-will-suffer versus the trolls. Very few people in this thread are saying ANYTHING factual, about any game.

The same reason they put in Illum to catch as many MMO players as they could because the game cost an awful lot of money and the fastest way to recoup the funds is to get as many player interested as possible, PvP'er, PvE'er, progression raiders, crafter's, RP'ers etc... whether the content was good enough to retain them is another thing altogether.

GW2 is an entirely different game. It is PVP first. It does PVP really well.

PVErs pretty much hate it because it is their worst fear personified.

It will absolutely hurt SWTOR just not as much as if it were a really good PVE game.

The whole point of SWTOR is to have the best leveling experience while playing the game that is possible in an mmo! They have stated that from the beginning! The whole darn game is the endgame here...why don't people get that!? It's an experience..not just "lol...game begins at 50 scrub" mmo. It's an actual experience!

I'm surprised to say that after finally getting a chance to play the hypefest that is GW2, I think I actually appreciate what SWTOR has to offer. With the way people talk about GW2 and some seriously crazy fanboy shenanigans going on, you'd think it was the second coming of Jesus and after playing I honestly thought I'd probably unsub to this game and never pick it up again.

However, after a good five hours playtime, I'm already missing SWTOR. Granted GW2 actually feels like a more modern MMO, their stories for the races are absolutely woeful in comparison to SWTOR. Okay do you want to go into some cave and recover some medicine from some bandits or do you want to infiltrate a notorious crime lord's gang and carefully plant the seeds of doubt in their mind and force them to your side? And don't even get me started on the fact you face some guy three freaking times and each time you worry about what's going to happen.. WHY CANT I KILL HIM???

Still, this aside, I do love the world quests where you can just join in and random events plus the WvW pvp is a LOT of fun and what Illum should have aspired to be.

Regardless, after playing the second coming of Jesus, I've came out of it appreciating SWTOR a lot more and what it actually offers.

TOR might have flaws, but... tell me, I love Star Wars and good story telling.