Out of line, or Part of the game PVP Ganking on a PvE server?

^This. Harbinger has these roving bands too. It's easy to see. A Republic toon, name in blue is attacking a quest mob and then a member of the roving band goes over to the Repub guy's healing comp, does an aoe and then suddenly the name of the Repub toon and his comp turns green, followed quickly by said toon dying. Reporting the griefers has yet to do any good.

Personally, I think it should be impossible to flag for PvP on a PvE server outside of warzones and designated PvP areas (like Den and Ilum) and you should be unflagged once you leave those areas. If you really care about world PvP then roll on a PvP server for crying out loud!

With that said, I'd be ok with things as is, if they would just punish the griefers and fix the above exploit. I've played MMO's long enough that I know not to buff anyone who has a green name, not use my aoe's when people with yellow names are around, etc. It still seems eyerolling dumb though that players on a PvE server have to go to that effort to avoid undesired PvP.

In direct response to the OP:


I believe that myself and my guildies were responsible for this particular incident.

We had an ops group that was planning on raiding until we heard news in general chat that there was some open world pvp occurring on the Black Hole. As a group we went over to participate. Upon finding no real pvp, we decided to create some of our own.

We camped out in front of the pub base and proceeded to kill any and all pubs that tried to enter the area. I know that there was ONE incident where a group member pulled someone into a pvp flag (I think he wanted to see if it actually worked), but as a group we definitely decided that griefing wasn't something that we were interested in. I apologize if this individual was you. Our goal was to entice the pubs to come out for some open PVP. And did they ever!!!!

Within about 20 minutes, we had a group of at least 15 pubs storm out of their base and proceed to smash us to bits! We re-gathered and recruited about 10 more players and came back with force! We had about another hour of really solid (and fair) PVP; it was the most fun we've had in a REALLY long time. We even infiltrated their spawn area and had to juggle fighting their guardians plus any incoming pubs.

I don't know if anyone actually "won" but I do know that SWTOR would be much more fun if things like this happened on a more regular basis. I apologize to the people that got 8 vs.1'd, but if that happens in the future, your job as a responsible pub is to recruit your friends and fight back for control of important areas like BH (or at least turn off your flag if you're not interested in pvp).

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to put it into perspective from the alleged griefers/no-lifes/bored ppl/etc.

Cheers!

It was Harbinger, in the BH, I never turn on my PVP flag, and would understand if i was to veer too close to an imp base. However, there is no imp base in the BH area. You would purposefully need to go in there and at that point, i would say its a bit dickish in my opinion, since the ONLY reason would be due to wanting to grief/gank non PVP'ers.

I would agree that if this were some kind of "event" where they set aside a brief moment and would "rally the troops" so to say then it might have been really fun. EMPIRE INVADES CORELLIA!! and maybe have a few devs or someone to help balance the fight, HAD IT BEEN ADVERTISED.

It wasn't so much the death (pvp death has very low death cost from what I saw) it was more just the idea that it was deliberate and malicious. If it was you (i don't recall the name of the guy that did felt the killing blow) I accept the apology. I simply changed instances and moved on, no real harm done. Just left a poor taste in my mouth. It WAS well coordinated and obviously at 8:1 ill intentioned and obvious as to what the outcome would be, and having 8 people well coordinated on vent, vs half hazard non-pvpers trying to "return fire" not going to work too well.

done and moved on... but at least it started some nice dialogue

That's hilarious! I'm on Drooga's Pleasure Barge.... My apology will never ever reach it's intended recipient now!!!

I've never entered the Imp base as a Republic player, but I'm fairly certain you can enter in to the first area; there is a little entry way where you access the elevators on the Pub side. You obviously can't go DOWN the elevator.

I definitely see your point about "ganking/grieving" non-pvp players in that area, but remember that these players had their flags up and attacked us back for being in "their area." I died countless times (yes, sometimes 1vs8 too). After reading all the posts here, I can't decide if Pub/Imp targeting is really a bad thing on PVE servers; is it really malicious? We are supposed to be enemies aren't we?. It seems that the community is rather split on the issue.

*off to ponder the morality of managing a bunch of pixels on my computer screen*

Actually you don't have to be flagged for PVP, all they have to do is jump into your AOE and bam instantly flagged.

Had this problem the other night on Ilum, all we were trying to do was do the heroic there, and this guy jumped into our AOE, flagged us for PVP and then would wait for us to get into a fight with the elite mobs and jump in, and causing us to wipe.

Sorry to multi post but I would like to suggest that we stop using the term wolf pack to describe those groups that force flag pvp on people on pve servers.... It is too positive a term to describe such a rotten thing to do ( force flag on pve).

I suggest the term gankpuppie pack.

That's hilarious! I'm on Drooga's Pleasure Barge.... My apology will never ever reach it's intended recipient now!!!

I've never entered the Imp base as a Republic player, but I'm fairly certain you can enter in to the first area; there is a little entry way where you access the elevators on the Pub side. You obviously can't go DOWN the elevator.

I definitely see your point about "ganking/grieving" non-pvp players in that area, but remember that these players had their flags up and attacked us back for being in "their area." I died countless times (yes, sometimes 1vs8 too). After reading all the posts here, I can't decide if Pub/Imp targeting is really a bad thing on PVE servers; is it really malicious? We are supposed to be enemies aren't we?. It seems that the community is rather split on the issue.

*off to ponder the morality of managing a bunch of pixels on my computer screen*