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What is going on BioWare ??


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Smuglebunny
07.19.2012 , 11:14 AM | #31
When people get angry with a game they want everyone else to be mad at it too and not play.

The whole I dont like it so no one should, baby mentality. So they say and spin negative things hoping the game will fail and they can say "If I dont like something it fails, my opinion is important" If the game goes on to be a huge success they feel dumb.

Simple.

But yeah that said, there are serious problems with this game, Im having fun now, but things need to progress.

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JetAten
07.19.2012 , 11:50 AM | #32
I honestly don't see what all the gloom and doom is about. Is it a perfect game? No. Is it a fun game? Absolutely. There's lots of room for improvement but its not as bad as its being made out to be. No more so then most other MMOs. I've played some BAD MMOs before, and even worse Star Wars based games, SW:G comes to mind with its total lack of story and completely empty worlds, Bioware actually came up with a good one (read that Lucas Arts, please get out of gaming biz). Its got fun gameplay, interesting stories, nice varied terrain, good graphics. I really don't see why there's so much hate towards it.

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TUXs
07.19.2012 , 01:04 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Holden_Dissent View Post
Except the fanboy part right?
Do you say that because I freely criticize the areas that need work, like PvP or the stupid restriction on Ops runs being on a 1980's lockout timer, or the lack of concern Bioware exhibits for the state of the game?

I think I'm a "fanboi". I'm here, I play the game as much as I can and I want nothing more than for this game to be a MASSIVE success, not just this year, but for the next 10. That doesn't mean I need to pretend the real issues the game has aren't there. I would love for nothing more than for 1.4 to hit the test server this week, and the new planet to be everything we could want want it to be (PvE, PvP, Space, crafting, 3rd faction, RP). I want people to flock back to SWTOR in droves! But being a fanboi, doesn't mean I need to lie to myself either Holden. I like this game...but it needs a crap ton of work and it needs it at a MUCH faster pace than Bioware is moving. The game that released, certainly didn't reflect $150 million and 600+ employees best efforts.
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PainOfDemise
07.19.2012 , 01:09 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Aliman View Post
Reports are comming in that you are firing a lot's of folks again.
Gamers are leaving left and right... not much positivity on either official forums or on different gaming sites.
ONE top guy left. He didn't get fired, he left on his own and they haven't fired a whole bunch of people as of yet. All there is, is just a bunch of BS going around and people whining like usual and once someone says something, of course everyone else believes.
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Journeyer
07.19.2012 , 01:16 PM | #35
What is going on is that expectations and indignation about this game are unbelievable.

For example: "Month after month, we will continue updating the game"
Translation: "Where's the 1.4 content patch? We were promised monthly updates!!!!! Fail, BW, fail."

People are getting so worked up, and burning themselves out in this game. They are literally changing and advancing their expectations faster than BW can change the game. And ragequitting. And when people leave in droves out of hurt, angry spite and feelings of burned out lost chances and unfullfilled expectations, BW is pressured for change. And when Bioware is pressured for change, executives leave, the game loses money, and the cycle begins again.
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TUXs
07.19.2012 , 01:22 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Journeyer View Post
What is going on is that expectations and indignation about this game are unbelievable.

For example: "Month after month, we will continue updating the game"
Translation: "Where's the 1.4 content patch? We were promised monthly updates!!!!! Fail, BW, fail."

People are getting so worked up, and burning themselves out in this game. They are literally changing and advancing their expectations faster than BW can change the game. And ragequitting. And when people leave in droves out of hurt, angry spite and feelings of burned out lost chances and unfullfilled expectations, BW is pressured for change. And when Bioware is pressured for change, executives leave, the game loses money, and the cycle begins again.
No lol, here's the actual quote:
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You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting..
He didn't say they'd simply UPDATE the game month after month lol. He implied content - 1.2 was a content patch (and a light one at that)...you roll out content, you release patches.
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Insomnio
07.19.2012 , 01:28 PM | #37
Content patches have come to a halt. A little bit would go a long way to keep people engaged.

Or a huge bit at one time, either way.

But some indication that there will be more content "soonish", would be appreciated. The cgi "reveal" video (he was already revealed a ways back) for the HK droid is something, but was it necessary? How much money does a little cgi video cost, and why didn't they just use that cash for other productivity, ie bugfixing or additional content?

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pipda
07.19.2012 , 01:41 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by PainOfDemise View Post
ONE top guy left. He didn't get fired, he left on his own and they haven't fired a whole bunch of people as of yet. All there is, is just a bunch of BS going around and people whining like usual and once someone says something, of course everyone else believes.
Three top people have left since launch and there has been two rounds of layoffs. That does not indicate a healthy studio or game service. Not to mention their public release/development schedule looks pretty bare. There is literally nothing on the calender for TOR at this point...NOTHING. Not even a list of features they "hope" to include in patch 1.4, let alone a round about date. All we know is the stuff from the E3 video and that stuff doesn't even have a year pinned down as the release date.

Stephen Reid <- Fired in layoffs in May
Georg Zoeller <- Fired..maybe...I think yes.
Rich Vogel <- "left" Bioware

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pocketthesaurus
07.19.2012 , 01:54 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by pipda View Post
Three top people have left since launch and there has been two rounds of layoffs. That does not indicate a healthy studio or game service. Not to mention their public release/development schedule looks pretty bare. There is literally nothing on the calender for TOR at this point...NOTHING. Not even a list of features they "hope" to include in patch 1.4, let alone a round about date. All we know is the stuff from the E3 video and that stuff doesn't even have a year pinned down as the release date.

Stephen Reid <- Fired in layoffs in May
Georg Zoeller <- Fired..maybe...I think yes.
Rich Vogel <- "left" Bioware
All unproven correlation. None of that means anything. 1.2 didn't have a date initially, and after that, 1.3 didn't have a specific date, either. Eventually they both got dates and were both released. As for the calendar, clearly HK-51 is part of what is on the calendar, so yes, there is something on it.

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TUXs
07.19.2012 , 01:57 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by pipda View Post
Three top people have left since launch and there has been two rounds of layoffs. That does not indicate a healthy studio or game service. Not to mention their public release/development schedule looks pretty bare. There is literally nothing on the calender for TOR at this point...NOTHING. Not even a list of features they "hope" to include in patch 1.4, let alone a round about date. All we know is the stuff from the E3 video and that stuff doesn't even have a year pinned down as the release date.

Stephen Reid <- Fired in layoffs in May
Georg Zoeller <- Fired..maybe...I think yes.
Rich Vogel <- "left" Bioware
The cool thing is, I can't think of one positive thing those 3 did for the game. Perhaps you're reading it wrong (not saying you are, just suggesting you remain open minded) - maybe they were let go so that the game might improve a bit?! We've seen MASSIVE declines in subs...all 3 of those guys are responsible for what we have coming and have...maybe the changes are good things?
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