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CommunitySupport
07.16.2012 , 10:37 AM | #1
Hi everyone,

We’re looking for some specific feedback about each Advanced Class and spec. Your feedback here, along with other feedback we’ve been gathering and our internal metrics, may guide future class balance changes. Similar threads will be found in every Advanced Class forum.

Here are the two questions that we’d like to ask (please only post about specific specs that you actively play, and don’t forget to tell us which one you’re talking about!):

1. How do you think your Sentinel spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Please answer the post using the same format and in no more than 2-3 sentences per question.

This is not a discussion thread, so please do not debate others’ feedback – everyone gets to share what they think. Any off-topic or unconstructive posts (or any that do not follow the above guidelines) will be removed without warning.

Remember, this isn’t the only thread we’re looking at for feedback – if you have more feedback than fits the above guidelines, please feel free to post a discussion thread. We’re looking to get some specific insights here, but we are always reading the forums to gather feedback and player concerns.

Thank you!

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Stealios
07.16.2012 , 11:08 AM | #2
1. How do you think your Sentinel spec is perceived by other classes?

I play both watchman & combat quite active and from what i noticed is that most players don't like to play against that in a 1 vs 1 situation and will call for help.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Watchman: Great, love it for solo queueing when you can't rely on teammates to back you up.

Combat: burst is great. Overall damage is really good, but would be better if both skill tree talents 'Oppertune attack' & 'Saber Storm' would grant their buffs properly

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Frumyrfrenzy
07.16.2012 , 11:27 AM | #3
I am a watchman sentinel.

1. I can only talk about PvE, but there a Sentinel is a good addition as a DPS class.
2. Playing a watchman sentinel ist great and has a great feeld to it. Of all the classes I've tried the Sentinel is most fun to play.

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demosthanes
07.16.2012 , 11:29 AM | #4
1. People seem to perceive all of the Sentinel specs as being overpowered.

2. I find the watchman spec to be a lot of fun, and to really be in a good place at the moment.

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Sixthy
07.16.2012 , 11:44 AM | #5
I play combat for my rated team, watchman if I ever solo queue, and don't really mess with focus.

1) Regardless of my spec I think the general PvP community considers Sentinels to be OP, but I also think that the majority of players don't know the difference between which spec they're facing and assume all Sentinels are 31/31/31. The higher end PvP community (high rated players - fellow 2400 teams etc) know how to properly shut the class down / use CC to its full potential / use swaps to get us to blow defensive CC's then swap back off, etc. We are a strong class that brings a lot of utility / damage to any team - but I feel like perceptions will be entirely based off the level of players both playing the class and facing the class.

2) I perceive Watchman as being extremely durable and hard to bring down. Capable of 1v3'ing undergeared players and really putting up a good fight in 1v2 situations against strong players. Team utility wise, it doesn't bring much to the table in a rated environment, but that's the tradeoff of the spec: less utility, better survivability. I'd almost argue that the survivability is a little too high, but I feel like that issue only really sticks out in non ranked Warzones (for various reasons).

Combat is extremely useful in a competitive / team play environment - the burst is great, but easily shut down by well coordinated groups (which is fine in my opinion, the more a team is focusing on shutting me down the less they're doing other things, opening my team mates up to basically mirror those tactics, etc). The survivability is lower than Watchman obviously, but definitely still strong with good cool down usage. All in all I think Combat is in a pretty good place, barring a couple of known bugs (Opportune strike doesn't appropriately apply the 10% damage bonus to the next focus spender, as well as Saber Storm not correctly applying the 30% bonus damage to Ataru Form procs (the latter of which hasn't been commented on at all by developers, but the former was recently added to the known issues list)).
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Chaconne
07.16.2012 , 11:59 AM | #6
I haven't PvP'ed since back before 1.2 so this is all from a PvE perspective.

1. How do you think your Sentinel spec is perceived by other classes?
Most people I have talked to/heard think that having a sentinel in a group is very useful, two is also nice for rotating Inspiration. They also think we do competitive dps on bosses and also like the speed boost/extra damage reduction we can provide in certain situations.

Some people seem to have this weird idea that only Watchman is good for dps in ops though.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?
I haven't done anything with Focus because it seems really PvP focused. I like both Watchman and Combat though I tend to prefer combat.

Part of the reason I think people believe Watchman is all around better than Combat is that everything lines up really easily with Watchman and you can get into a really effective rotation pretty easily and do a good job (not saying being a great Watchman Sentinel is easy, just being a good one is easy). For combat I find managing my Focus can be much more of an issue sometimes, also you have to line-up certain skills together correctly in order to get the most benefit from them. So it seems slightly harder to me to be a good combat Sentinel.

When people ask me to describe the two specs I say "watchman is about keeping your dots up on your target and is really good sustained dps, and combat is more about managing your focus and using skills together and is more of a burst spec".

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iamthehoyden
07.16.2012 , 01:00 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by CommunitySupport View Post

1. How do you think your Sentinel spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?
PVE - watchman spec
1. From what I've seen, there are a lot of sentinels, and they're considered a strong class.

2. It's a movement-friendly melee class. The dot dps adds up while the group buffs and heals and such are helpful to everyone. On top of that, there are defensive cds, ccs (although only droids for significant time), and interrupts: lot of tools.
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Malles
07.16.2012 , 01:09 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by CommunitySupport View Post
Hi everyone,

We’re looking for some specific feedback about each Advanced Class and spec. Your feedback here, along with other feedback we’ve been gathering and our internal metrics, may guide future class balance changes. Similar threads will be found in every Advanced Class forum.

Here are the two questions that we’d like to ask (please only post about specific specs that you actively play, and don’t forget to tell us which one you’re talking about!):

1. How do you think your Sentinel spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Please answer the post using the same format and in no more than 2-3 sentences per question.

This is not a discussion thread, so please do not debate others’ feedback – everyone gets to share what they think. Any off-topic or unconstructive posts (or any that do not follow the above guidelines) will be removed without warning.

Remember, this isn’t the only thread we’re looking at for feedback – if you have more feedback than fits the above guidelines, please feel free to post a discussion thread. We’re looking to get some specific insights here, but we are always reading the forums to gather feedback and player concerns.

Thank you!
1. Everyone wants me on their team and no one wants to fight me. I've got one of if not the best burst in the game and I'm the easiest class to play.
2. I love my Sentinel. I've leveled her up to 30 so far and I have yet to die on solo content. This is after pulling half a room and trying. She reminds me a lot of my Fury Warrior from World of Warcraft; I can kill anything that holds still long enough.
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Ntranced
07.16.2012 , 01:24 PM | #9
1. How do you think your Sentinel spec is perceived by other classes?

Pretty much irrespective of spec most other classes see me as a high burst, high damage death machine that has a range of defensive abilities that make it a steel cannon.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Deadly. With some great survivability depending on my cooldowns. Very hard to kite, hard to avoid and hard to beat.

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Elear
07.16.2012 , 01:35 PM | #10
Both Combat and Watchman in amounts where I can have some feedback.
1. In PvP, people rarely look at spec of Sentinel. I see from time to time "OMG selfhealing is op" or "OMG roots and transcendence are OP" ("7k Sweeps are op" happen too, but it's for some reason mostly about guardians), but nothing pointing people feeling more strongly about one spec than other. Generally they either appear terrified by even thinking about fighting Sentinel, or mockingly say that they can easly kill it, but in a way "I'm skilled", not "I kill it in my sleep". Obviously, most people that don't have any problem with class don't voice their opinions. It seems Sentinels are considered dangerous because they will be focused fast, but not considered easy kill because they are rarely focused first. So class considered either strong or balanced, but certainly not weak.
For PvE, very good damage dealer I guess? Only reason why you wouldn't want one more skilled Sentinel in your raid is if you need more ranged DPS. Outside of properly organized group people seem to forget about Inspiration, are afraid to ask, assume Sentinel knows best when to use it, don't know. But since it's our best baseline group utility, I expected people to show more interest in it.
Combat doesn't have any special features people could notice in PvE, Watchman has his self and raid healing, but it seems to be rarely considered or noticed.

2. Combat - great burst and fun, good mobility(Speed increase in Ataru Form really makes difference in PvP) and PvP utility with Transcendence and roots, less of a dueslist due to lack of healing and main trick(Precision Slash) being easly countered with CC. My spec of choice for PvE due to most fights inclluding considerable downtime on boss, and damage mostly limited by CD.
Watchman - my greatest issue with that spec was when while questing, I was killing groups of standard mobs in arund 15 seconds, and refreshing Merciless Slash buff required delaying finishing off one enemy, because looting and making it in time to next group before buff dropped was impossible. It's a very unfriendly mechanic for fights with lot of downtime. Focus management is also harder, as you can(and if possible, should) use up 7 focus (with 8 required for it, 66% of total resource pool) in single GCD. Self and raid healing is great, but fact that single short downtime can mess up your huge nuke, or lag/ability delay cause yout DoT to fall off instead of being refteshed with extra stack(lags are still here, situation with ability delay got a bit better) makes it less fun for PvE, where bosses rarely allow mele to stick to them. It's good it's a bit harder, it's not good that you have so often build up all those stacks over and over again from 0 in PvE.
Both specs have not-so-usefull AoE. Back in a day when their focus cost(talented) was equal 1 it was worth using Sweep between other skills for some extra AoE damage, or spamming Cyclone Slash to interrupt capture, or just for damage. Now when you need to use 2 Strikes just to have enough focus for single Cyclone Slash, and still have to face enemy, it's very rarely used skill, so decreased GCD and cost on Ataru Zen is bit out of place.
Also both specs I consider 'duelist' for PvP - great at engaging enemy 1v1, both specializing in different kinds of fight - Combat for fast kill before enemy can kill him, Watchman for outlasting enemy by constant, steady damage, good ability to stay on target and selfheals. Some tool to set up those duels inside warzone(move enemy away from his group) would make this even more fun, but well, we've got tools to ignore his group(defensive CD) or CC for a while (AoE mezz), so it's fine.