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Factors for a fair forced transfer: Naming

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Factors for a fair forced transfer: Naming

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:00 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Flame_Star View Post
I'm so confused by this. I recently had to change all but 1 of my characters' names when I migrated from a server scheduled for closing. Fortunately, I got to keep my legacy name, which would have peeved me a little more, but honestly... what gives you any right to a name on another server just because you tagged it first on a totally different server? What if that person just as eagerly reserved his name as you did on your server? Technically, you're the new guy on the server, so you get to deal with the new guy woes: not knowing a lot of the people, being restricted by the name pool being used.

Perhaps if they used a naming convention more like what was used in Galaxies where both parts of your name were combined to make one unique string for your character things would be a little different... but they used the char name as a unique string divorced from the legacy name string... and thus you're screwed.

I usually don't post here, but I am completely baffled by your attitude to the point that I believe you're simply trolling for attention.
You'd be wrong in that belief.


Quote: Originally Posted by erei View Post
You are gonna loose your name. So, you want SOMEONE ELSE to loose his name, because you don't want to. And this is supposed to be fair ?
I'm on a destination server. Always been since day 1 of prerelease. If someone come from another server, and I have to change my name, a name I always had, the same name everyone knows me on this server, I will be disappointed to say the least. It could happen, I've tested my name on another server when I was able to play for the first time, (one merged with mine), and it was already taken. I wasn't able to play until 1-2h after the server started this day, and someone must have been real quick.
I know this is harsh for many people. But it wouldn't be more fair if people on destination server loose their name for a newcomer.

The point is, that I'm not the new guy by choice.

Let's say I was just sick of my server and decided to move to a new one. Say that I chose to go with the free character transfers. If I would have done that, I wouldn't have minded competing, because it was my own damn fault.

What's wrong now, is that we have the unequal sharing of misery. I and the two people above me, aren't that dissimilar. We both want to keep our names. The only difference is, that people on 90% of origin servers are robbed of theirs, while the 10% of destination servers get to keep theirs. Whatever happens will be unfair, but in my solution, at least the injustice will be shared by all, instead of born by a majority of those so inclined.

All of Bioware's players should be equal. It is Bioware's fault that the landscape is being tipped. Logically, Bioware should tip the landscape equally for players. Well, unless you have a VIP access code, but that's another story. I'd be willing to pay to keep my names, but that wouldn't be a prudent solution either.

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:03 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
Also not a good way to go about it. This makes the same mistake Bioware did when they announced a free month to level 50 characters.

Not everyone plays at the same rate. Consider a player that has a character boasting the name of one of your characters. This player has a different play style than you; perhaps he levels eight characters equally, and as such his character's level is lower than yours. Perhaps he balances the game with one or more jobs and a family, and as a result has logged less time on his character than you have on yours. Yet he's been subscribed since launch, and has payed just as much to BioWare and EA as you. He deserves to keep the character name at least as much as you do.

We saw this song and dance before. We know how it ends. Let's not ask the developers to repeat their mistakes.

You misinterpret the points. Those are the ones that I RETRACTED. I completely agree with your assesment. My layout has been fixed now.

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:05 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Roalmo View Post
Face it.

Your names are DEAD, Jim.
NOOOO! WHY DOESN'T IT GET ANY EASIER!

Oh well, elegent cress sandwiches at the funeral it is then. Omnomnom!


Quote: Originally Posted by Seravie View Post
Eh next time pick more creative names. When I transferred over I didn't have to change any of my character's names or legacy(It was in Catalan, not a very common language.)
The whole point of a pre-order was not having to be creative.

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DenitharPurloin
07.12.2012 , 05:08 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirlasvoud View Post

The point is, that I'm not the new guy by choice.

Let's say I was just sick of my server and decided to move to a new one. Say that I chose to go with the free character transfers. If I would have done that, I wouldn't have minded competing, because it was my own damn fault.

What's wrong now, is that we have the unequal sharing of misery. I and the two people above me, aren't that dissimilar. We both want to keep our names. The only difference is, that people on 90% of origin servers are robbed of theirs, while the 10% of destination servers get to keep theirs. Whatever happens will be unfair, but in my solution, at least the injustice will be shared by all, instead of born by a majority of those so inclined.

All of Bioware's players should be equal. It is Bioware's fault that the landscape is being tipped. Logically, Bioware should tip the landscape equally for players. Well, unless you have a VIP access code, but that's another story. I'd be willing to pay to keep my names, but that wouldn't be a prudent solution either.
May as well make a post to the "creator" about penal-size. It would be just as productive. Randomness and fairness go hand in hand.

Why are some people born rich and beautiful...I want to be rich and beautiful...it is not fair...I want it to be fair...Why did my parents give me a stupid name...Why am I the nationality I am and not something "cooler"...do I slit my wrists now?...Why go on at all?....

Starting to get the point of how much growing up you really need to do? Or are you still willing to keep making posts that make you sound like an arse?

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:17 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by DenitharPurloin View Post
I moved 6 characters in the "free transfer". I had to choose new names for 2 of them. One of those was a "system generated" name that I happened to like (no big deal), the other turned out to be available in the spelling I ORIGINALLY wanted for that character but was unavailable on the server I created it on (win/win).

Moral is, who knows? you may get to keep your name. And if you do need to change it? Just how "original" and "unique" is it anyway to warrant your worry over?

Like some other person said earlier in your post, I am an MMO "veteran" who does repeat many names when I play a new MMO.

Oh, I took his criticism, what there was to be found in a "you're exaggerating and I know better" post. It's just that my merits for playing the game are different from his. He made a point. It's just one that I don't care enough about the game to see past a forced name change.

Perhaps I was a little curt. What I mean to say with "don't try to debate me" was: "S'allright, but don't bother putting in that much energy into debating, because even though I understand where you're coming from, my motivations are different if you're trying to approach it from that angle."
Last one is a bit of a mouthfull though.


Quote: Originally Posted by DenitharPurloin View Post
And, to be honest, your "do not try to debate me" response to them was rude, crude, and seemed to be written by a 10 year old child. Learn what constructive criticism is and learn to take it.
And I in turn, think your attempt to read and disconstruct my intent, are rude. He had a point, you're just trying to inflame. But I don't intent to take it further than that. Let's stay civil.


Quote: Originally Posted by DenitharPurloin View Post
Seriously, if it is a "game breaker" for you...then what can I say? Don't let the door hit you on the way out. These transfers are what may save the game, not your subscription. If you would quit over something so trivial, you are lost already.
You may be right. I'm not the most loyal customer when I'm willing to quit on such a small note. Like I said in one of my replies, if this is what is neccesary to keep the game enjoyable for all others out there, I hope it will do well. I'm just giving my customer's opinion to any and all community managers who stroll by.

And thank you, I won't let the door hit me on the way out. Is it one of those automatic models with a spring that's too tight? I never quit got that expression. I for one, intent to leave with no animosity whatsoever.

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:20 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by DenitharPurloin View Post
May as well make a post to the "creator" about penal-size. It would be just as productive. Randomness and fairness go hand in hand.

Why are some people born rich and beautiful...I want to be rich and beautiful...it is not fair...I want it to be fair...Why did my parents give me a stupid name...Why am I the nationality I am and not something "cooler"...do I slit my wrists now?...Why go on at all?....

Starting to get the point of how much growing up you really need to do? Or are you still willing to keep making posts that make you sound like an arse?
In real life, that's common knowledge. For a major business dealing with customers, that's a bad business desicion that will cost them. Institutions created by people, do tend to apply some manner of equality. There's a difference.

And are you quite done making personal attacks? I can't recall ever doing you harm and neither do I intent to.

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:23 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Lanval View Post
I'd like to offer up a simple solution, and this seems like as good of a thread as any to do it.

Group up the rest of the players who have stayed on their original server onto a new server. This gives players a greater chance of getting the names they want, while also putting together a like-minded community. This doesn't solve the problem completely but I think it's a simple solution that a majority of players still on original servers could get on board with.

Yes I realize names aren't important to some people, but they are important enough to some players who didn't think the server populations were an issue. SWTOR may not lose a significant amount of subscriptions due to people upset about the names, but that's no reason to start chipping away at the player base for something they offered but are now taking away.

Now that, I think, is genius. On a completely new server, this avoids doing a similar injustice to those origin players.

I'm going to put that up right now.

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Skirlasvoud
07.12.2012 , 05:28 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by DenitharPurloin View Post
If you like playing golf in the middle of an electrical storm...time to change your likes
If you like unzipping your pants in front of a rotating fan...time to change your likes
If you like swallowing Mentos and chugging a Litre of Coca-cola...time to change your likes

If you like getting too personally attached to your MMO character's names...time to change your likes

It is simply a fact of life that most of us have learned to protect ourselves from, and we are trying to impart some of this learning experience upon those that seem new to it. Meh...everyone who learns had to learn from the pain I guess...
Could not agree more. Basically the entire point to my post. I'll just pack and not complain. I might hand over a solution, but I'm not that bothered.

Do note, that your rational to MMO's isn't that hardline. I've never been forced to change names on WoW or Guild Wars.

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HeavensAgent
07.12.2012 , 06:26 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirlasvoud View Post
- For this one time, several different characters with the same name on a single server are allowed, as long as the legacy names are different.
- The day of the mergers, different players posessing the same name, will need to reclaim it on a first come, first serve basis (as both are reset).
- Bioware will simply add an invisible code to the name, unseen by players, but recognizable by the server. There is no conflict.
The first and third are not viable due to in-game communication concerns. The second still promotes the 'If I have more time to play the game I should get special treatment' that mothear noted on the first page.

Ultimately the idea you cited for your subscription to the game, specifically "the challenge to be a founder with dibs," is a faulty one that no game company in this industry can truly allow if they are to become and remain successful. What you describe is the creation of a caste system, the haves and the have-nots. When this is created it serves to prevent new players from subscribing to a game, and without those new players a game stagnates and dies. For this reason a game developer has to treat new players as equal to existing players as much as possible. In turn your arguments about preferential naming falls short.

The situation stinks, I know. I'm going to have to give my own names that I created on the first day of Head Start. That said it is the best way to handle transfers.
Del'lantam Trooper of Alpha Company, 203rd Republic Expeditionary Legion

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HeavensAgent
07.12.2012 , 06:32 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Skirlasvoud View Post
And thank you, I won't let the door hit me on the way out. Is it one of those automatic models with a spring that's too tight? I never quit got that expression. I for one, intent to leave with no animosity whatsoever.
As an aside, it means that if you say or imply you intend to leave, follow through and don't hesitate. In other words, don't stand in the doorway after saying you intend to leave, giving the door time to close upon you, to hit you on your way out.

In this circumstance it essentially means that if your are forced to rename your characters that DenitharPurloin expects you to remain, despite your indications otherwise. You are being accused of making empty threats.
Del'lantam Trooper of Alpha Company, 203rd Republic Expeditionary Legion