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Kalfear
07.10.2012 , 01:44 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Lamatra View Post
The majority of the people playing this game have no idea, what it takes to create a game of this size.
Therefor they take everything for granted, especially people moving from WoW which have had seven years of optimization.
I curently think the game is improving. With free server transfer, we now have decent populated servers, and LFG is a nice feature. Hopefully PvP will continue to improve along with the rest of the content in the game.
Listen, Im in a love hate relationship with TOR
I love to hate it ... it seems
But I stay because there is literally nothing else on the market worth playing and nothing else upcoming in the next year worth playing.
So TOR gets the undeserved nod at this time being

But being the best of the worst is NOT bragging rights, its really not

And as for knowledge and idea, I have 21 years in this genre and well over 20 titles played (or at least beta'd for signifigant periods of time).

TOR is not a good MMORPG,
its comes up short on multiple standard MMORPG elements,
It plays like a Single player game, which is great...for a single player game but MMORPGs are suppose to be tougher and have a much longer leveling arc to them.
Graphically its better then was originally expected but 7 months into release it still suffers from a memory leak that was present and wide spread IN CLOSED BETA
Exploiting and hacking has become common place inside the pvp warzones and is now starting to become more common place outside them in the world pve portion
no pazzaak (a ICONIC KotOR game)
no Swoop Racing (a ICONIC KotOR game)
no arena fighting in cantinas (an ICONIC KotOR game)
No houseing customization (on ship or on land, an ICONIC MMORPG element)
The list goes on and on so long that it hurts to fully type out!

Personally I find anyone that thinks this game is improving to be completely out of touch with reality!
When content that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN GAME AT LAUNCH finally makes it into game, ONLY THEN will I start to say its improving.

TOR is not as terrible as the haters say but its also no where near as good (or improving) as the fanbois with no clue state.

TOR can be a good MMORPG, its not right but it can be
But that only happens when all the content that should have been in at launch is in
When bugs that were present in Closed beta months and months and months before launch are finally addressed and fixed
When exploits and hacking (admitably still mostly only seen in WZ pvp but starting to appear outside it) are closed off and removed.

TOR is not a good MMORPG right now
It could be amazing and great
But its not yet
and thats 21 years of knowledge saying that so if your going to cover all nay sayers as uninformed, please feel free to show us your amazing knowledge base! Mine started in 1991 regarding MMORPGs and goes way back to BB's regarding Muds, and a decade plus before that in Table top "pen and paper" RPGs.

Adding people togather was a required move and a good move by EA (and yes the game is more playable with more people) but it only masks the problems. I already see massive population drop offs on those super servers just weeks after the massive transfers, because the problems still exist!

FIX THE PROBLEMS ALREADY EA!

And just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they have no idea. If they started with WOW, yeah they dont have much clue as they never seen the multitude of other designs and concepts, they only seen WOW remade over and over and over.

But WOW players are not the only players disappointed by this game!

Personally all my buds have left the game till its fixed or f2p as they refuse to spend any more money on game. And every single guild I was aware of from the old days of the first decade of MMORPG playing 1991-2001 have left this game as its not finished and doesnt offer up the expected experience.

Let me guess, you say they have no idea either as well? right?

This game will only ever live up to its potential if the fanbois stop giving it free rides and free passes and demand BETTER all the time.
In regards to lessening F2P and Preferred restrictions
In GAMING, as in LIFE,
You get what you pay for
No game restriction is so dire that $15.00/month will not eliminate it

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Tarplee
07.10.2012 , 01:45 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by cs_Kimmo View Post
WoW hit 8.5 million subscribers in March of 2007 (2 months after the launch of BC). WoW was launched in November 2004. WoW was already the biggest MMO before the launch of BC, so it actually took Blizzard less than 3 years to get to the standard it's at now.
OK look, its going to take one hell of a game to match WoW cos its so hyped, its going to take a lot to match it as it has such a huge following and blizzard are incredible, i joined SWTOR expecting it to not be as fast progressing and succesful as WoW i joined this cos i love star wars and i saw its incredible potential, SWTOR doesnt need to be compared to WoW every second, give it a break
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TUXs
07.10.2012 , 01:47 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by cs_Kimmo View Post
One of the reasons for the "negativity":

As a competitive gamer, gameplay is one of the most if not the most single important aspect of any game. Seven months after launch we're still (if you don't: consider yourself lucky) seeing excessive FPS drops, lag, ability delay, characters stuck in Warzone spawn, animations rolling and characters getting rooted without abilities activating, characters teleporting around the place et cetera. I hate to "play the WoW-card", but even that game back in 2005 was better in terms of gameplay, even on the first day of the launch (in Europe). The combat was more fluid, more responsive, and the lag caused by the overflowing servers was tolerable because everything else just worked.

As long as SWTOR remains a glitchy, laggy MMO with too much/all of the emphasis on Hollywood voice actors and mediocre sci-fi writing and catering to the casual audience (vanity pets and other stupid ****), people like me will keep protesting/whining/criticizing (take your pick). Even if BioWare did resolve every other problem people currently have with the game, me and other like-minded folk would remain. I personally don't give two *****s about issues with group finders, PvE class balance, companions and whatnot, but I do understand those who do.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm enjoying the game, a whole lot, more than any other MMO I've played so far. That's why the "negativity". I don't want this game to die after enough PvP players come to the same conclusion as I.
I just want to second the bolded part above (as well as the rest of the post).

I think a lot of us 'complain' because we've seen this same thing played out in numerous MMOs previously. There IS a sense of urgency that seems to be lacking from Bioware. This isn't 2004 - the competition they have is very real and some upcoming games ARE big threats to SWTOR. People expected far too much - much more than Bioware promised...when SWTOR didn't deliver, players left.

We're over 6 months into release and we have LESS PvP content now than we did in December. We still have a lack of end-game content for PvE, which is made worse by a 1980's era lockout timer.

I can't speak for everyone, but I am vocal and critical because I care about this stupid game. I ENJOY the people I play with and I'd really like SWTOR to be the last MMO I play...and I have no intention to quit gaming any time soon. I'm sorry if I don't tell them how happy the grass in Denova makes me, but I don't think it matters when night after night we watch players leave the game out of boredom.
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Urael
07.10.2012 , 01:47 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
And every single guild I was aware of from the old days of the first decade of MMORPG playing 1991-2001 have left this game as its not finished and doesnt offer up the expected experience.
I hear ya. I know a bunch of peeps migrating back to a version of a certain other Star Wars MMORPG. I will leave it to you to find.

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mangarrage
07.10.2012 , 01:49 PM | #25
to be fair it took wow 2 years and 3 months for the first expansion, which was really the first real infusion of new things

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Tarplee
07.10.2012 , 01:50 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Kalfear View Post
Listen, Im in a love hate relationship with TOR
I love to hate it ... it seems
But I stay because there is literally nothing else on the market worth playing and nothing else upcoming in the next year worth playing.
So TOR gets the undeserved nod at this time being

But being the best of the worst is NOT bragging rights, its really not

And as for knowledge and idea, I have 21 years in this genre and well over 20 titles played (or at least beta'd for signifigant periods of time).

TOR is not a good MMORPG,
its comes up short on multiple standard MMORPG elements,
It plays like a Single player game, which is great...for a single player game but MMORPGs are suppose to be tougher and have a much longer leveling arc to them.
Graphically its better then was originally expected but 7 months into release it still suffers from a memory leak that was present and wide spread IN CLOSED BETA
Exploiting and hacking has become common place inside the pvp warzones and is now starting to become more common place outside them in the world pve portion
no pazzaak (a ICONIC KotOR game)
no Swoop Racing (a ICONIC KotOR game)
no arena fighting in cantinas (an ICONIC KotOR game)
No houseing customization (on ship or on land, an ICONIC MMORPG element)
The list goes on and on so long that it hurts to fully type out!

Personally I find anyone that thinks this game is improving to be completely out of touch with reality!
When content that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN GAME AT LAUNCH finally makes it into game, ONLY THEN will I start to say its improving.

TOR is not as terrible as the haters say but its also no where near as good (or improving) as the fanbois with no clue state.

TOR can be a good MMORPG, its not right but it can be
But that only happens when all the content that should have been in at launch is in
When bugs that were present in Closed beta months and months and months before launch are finally addressed and fixed
When exploits and hacking (admitably still mostly only seen in WZ pvp but starting to appear outside it) are closed off and removed.

TOR is not a good MMORPG right now
It could be amazing and great
But its not yet
and thats 21 years of knowledge saying that so if your going to cover all nay sayers as uninformed, please feel free to show us your amazing knowledge base! Mine started in 1991 regarding MMORPGs and goes way back to BB's regarding Muds, and a decade plus before that in Table top "pen and paper" RPGs.

Adding people togather was a required move and a good move by EA (and yes the game is more playable with more people) but it only masks the problems. I already see massive population drop offs on those super servers just weeks after the massive transfers, because the problems still exist!

FIX THE PROBLEMS ALREADY EA!

And just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they have no idea. If they started with WOW, yeah they dont have much clue as they never seen the multitude of other designs and concepts, they only seen WOW remade over and over and over.

But WOW players are not the only players disappointed by this game!

Personally all my buds have left the game till its fixed or f2p as they refuse to spend any more money on game. And every single guild I was aware of from the old days of the first decade of MMORPG playing 1991-2001 have left this game as its not finished and doesnt offer up the expected experience.

Let me guess, you say they have no idea either as well? right?

This game will only ever live up to its potential if the fanbois stop giving it free rides and free passes and demand BETTER all the time.
i agree that TOR comes short on a lot and there som many more elements i wanna see added, but shouting it as hate to the developers isnt the way you get through, cos they aint gonna read moans and groans, there gonna read the polite positive Ideas
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Temad
07.10.2012 , 01:52 PM | #27
Quote:
Exactly its been around for a margin of the time WoW has been round, it needs time to grow, the phrase rome wasnt built in a day springs to mind.
People understand that a game needs time to grow, expand and add content.

What people don't understand is how a game released in 2011 is missing key basic features that its competitors have had for years prior to SWTOR's release. These features have become "the norm" for MMO customers and Bioware is now scrambling to get added. They are "quality of life" type features like a LFG system, UI Customization/Add-Ons and macros even if in a limited scope like Rift. They are the features that make it very difficult to overlook the normal limited content and bugs any MMO has in its first year.

It isn't like Bioware didn't know these weren't quite important and it isn't like Bioware couldn't have had them in from the day development started...they are that old.

Not including these "quality of life features" is like building a summer rental beach home and letting people start to rent it before the pool is finished. Early renters understand a pool would be nice but they have the ocean to keep them busy. Then they get inside and realize you didn't install air conditioning.

Now they are far less forgiving the pool isn't finished and quite a bit more prone to complaining to you over every little defect they can find with the house.
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Beejimus
07.10.2012 , 01:54 PM | #28
I can care less how long it took for WoW to do anything. This game isn't WoW. But since WoW keeps getting brought up, THIS game had the benefit of learning from all of WoW's mistakes and successes before the game was even made and therefore had a point of reference (which seems to have been utterly ignored by the dev's.)

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Urael
07.10.2012 , 01:57 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Beejimus View Post
I can care less how long it took for WoW to do anything. This game isn't WoW. But since WoW keeps getting brought up, THIS game had the benefit of learning from all of WoW's mistakes and successes before the game was even made and therefore had a point of reference (which has been utterly ignored by the dev's.)
FIFY.... and agree!

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JansanRuno
07.10.2012 , 01:58 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Tarplee View Post
Ive been on this forume for about 25 minutes now, and already im seeing moans and groans about SWTOR. Why? Yes this game has its flaws but so does every game! instead of slating and listig the bad stuff, list some positives and some improvements/features youd like to see in the future! for example, i Love the customisation features on Armor, lightsabers, Blasters etc,. But i want to see epic expansions and more mounts! maybe even some animal mounts if its possible, and more and more companions! Dont forget this games still a baby, lets get together and help it develop into a awesome rebellious teenager, not crush it as its learning to walk.
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