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If you really want to make a person better in a PVP match...

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If you really want to make a person better in a PVP match...
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ripster
07.09.2012 , 12:40 PM | #11
As a new PvPer I definitely find the manner in which 'advice' is given makes all the difference and appreciate all the people who have taken the lead or just been good sports even when everything is going wrong. It may not be apparent right away, but there are players who will take that advice and encouragement and learn from it or take the next step to find out themselves how to better their play.

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islander
07.09.2012 , 12:41 PM | #12
The one thing that really slays me, is when the 1-2 people guarding a vacant turret, contributing nothing but maybe killing 3 people, are silent, sitting on their tails all game, and then, when we lose, they run their yappers.

Oh and sorcerers who self heal via consumption spam to artificially augment their healing numbers for MVP votes.
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07.09.2012 , 12:43 PM | #13
I agree. Though, one has to be careful not to sound condescending or anything. But it's still more effective than "OMG LEARN TO PASS RETARD!" Or once some jerk was saying "man the imps pwn us hard" I told them to ignore that guy and gave a little advice, we ended up winning the voidstar. I ask the guy "who's owning who?" He was pretty quiet.
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Tyranux
07.09.2012 , 12:44 PM | #14
In my experience, most people are just going to accuse you of telling them how to play. Bad players are bad players and generally speaking, will always be bad players. A lot of times its just better to either leave the match and requeue or just sit at a node and get defense medals.

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AllisonBerryman
07.09.2012 , 12:52 PM | #15 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyranux View Post
In my experience, most people are just going to accuse you of telling them how to play. Bad players are bad players and generally speaking, will always be bad players.
It's true that some players will be aggressive in light of even the friendliest advice. I wouldn't let it make me give up on trying to help, though. If you're met with resistance, then fine, the player doesn't want advice, but it doesn't hurt to try. It's important to genuinely be helpful and to avoid condescending.

I've found that sometimes, sending a person a tell instead of calling them out in chat can be a better route (people can get defensive when pointed out in front of a group). There have been a few people I've contacted like this who are new and appreciate some friendly tips or advice. Not everyone, for sure, but there are people playing who are new to MMOs in general and may just not be aware of some of the tricks or conventions!

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bekkilyn
07.09.2012 , 01:26 PM | #16
The other day I got popped into Voidstar after it started and someone soon started yelling at everyone because they were attacking tanks instead of healers. I noticed that none of the enemy team were marked. What I wondered is why the person yelling didn't mark the healers so that the rest of the team would have a clue who to attack instead of just trying to guess who might or might not be a healer or know how to figure it out if they haven't been playing long and aren't used to all of the class skills. This person griped nearly the whole rest of the game and called everyone something slightly derogatory at the end. At not one point were the healers ever marked.

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kamikrazy
07.09.2012 , 01:38 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
It's true that some players will be aggressive in light of even the friendliest advice. I wouldn't let it make me give up on trying to help, though. If you're met with resistance, then fine, the player doesn't want advice, but it doesn't hurt to try. It's important to genuinely be helpful and to avoid condescending.

I've found that sometimes, sending a person a tell instead of calling them out in chat can be a better route (people can get defensive when pointed out in front of a group). There have been a few people I've contacted like this who are new and appreciate some friendly tips or advice. Not everyone, for sure, but there are people playing who are new to MMOs in general and may just not be aware of some of the tricks or conventions!
I have nothing against giving tips and advice to new players. The truth is, it's usually the same offenders in WZs that keep making mistakes like ignoring objectives and not watching the nodes. People that have at least 1000 expertise yet still don't know how to play properly. At the slightest suggestion that they might be doing something wrong, they get ultra-defensive and the discussion soon shifts to my mom.
What I now realize is that if they don't appreciate the fact that they're getting carried in the WZ, I'm better off just leaving the WZ. They're not going to get better, and I'll save myself the frustration of putting in the effort in a vain attempt to win.

Even as an ops leader in lowbies, I got accused of losing a Civil War single-handedly because our opening gambit did not work. These players seem to forget that they were part of the team that couldn't hold a single turret. These are toxic players who are not only bad, but also have nothing to offer other than blame and blind anger. Of course, if I didn't have a good game, I'm fine with admitting that. I just don't expect to take the blame for when I can't take all three turrets on my own.

But then once in a blue moon, I'll see a player ask, "I'm in recruit gear, where will I be most useful?" and I have hope again.
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Fidopro
07.09.2012 , 01:42 PM | #18
Its pretty hard to do this because most of the time other players find it insulting like you are some kind of elitist trying to tell them what to do..

also not once have I ever seen another player PM me after a game asking how to improve their dps even though I'm always on top with most MVP votes, dmg, ect


My guess is they just don't care that much and just want to have fun?

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kamikrazy
07.09.2012 , 01:44 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by bekkilyn View Post
The other day I got popped into Voidstar after it started and someone soon started yelling at everyone because they were attacking tanks instead of healers. I noticed that none of the enemy team were marked. What I wondered is why the person yelling didn't mark the healers so that the rest of the team would have a clue who to attack instead of just trying to guess who might or might not be a healer or know how to figure it out if they haven't been playing long and aren't used to all of the class skills. This person griped nearly the whole rest of the game and called everyone something slightly derogatory at the end. At not one point were the healers ever marked.
I'm glad you brought this issue up because I think people need to be reminded that ANYONE can mark targets now. I still agree with your point that if he's the only one who knows who the healers are, he should have marked them.

Unfortunately, marked or not, it's almost impossible to get an average PUG to focus on even one healer. If there's more than 1 healer, it's naptime for me.
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Fidopro
07.09.2012 , 01:46 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by kamikrazy View Post
I'm glad you brought this issue up because I think people need to be reminded that ANYONE can mark targets now. I still agree with your point that if he's the only one who knows who the healers are, he should have marked them.

Unfortunately, marked or not, it's almost impossible to get an average PUG to focus on even one healer. If there's more than 1 healer, it's naptime for me.
is this true?? LMAO wow im dumb

I keep tripping out the last few days wondering why random dps players were marked when I only marked healers...