End Game Woes & the LFG Tool without an iLvL ?

I don't think its such a bad idea for hard-modes. If you don't have the gear you should be doing normal content until you have level 50 stuff. Also, what about the rest of the group? Isn't their enjoyment important too? More importantly though the devs need to make it so leaving a group that just started does not send you back to fleet it sends you into a black hole(should cut down on abuse). Also the group finder should be across all servers. The "community" argument so many people made goes out the window with large scale server transfers.

No, no and no. You got it all wrong.

You see.. we are expected to carry a blue/green/below 50 geared guy through all content. We are even asked to, because, poor them... they need a hand.

But we are forbidden to ask a minimum gear for certain content.. because, you see... they have every right to come in blues in Tier 2, but we don`t have the right to ask a minimum of Columi gear.. no siiir. And no, I don`t like boosting lazy bums through Lost Island on MY money. And no, they have no right to ask me to... they should stick to their Tier 1 and gear up... because blues will not be enough. There might be the brilliant player that MIGHT pull it off.. but I haven`t met her/him yet.

Funny how this goes only one way.

Personally I want there to be a gear-score requirement, but I think you are taking it to far to have them all match up to your gear level, this will just make ques take to long. The gear-score requirements should be based on the content you are queued for and should be based on what should reasonably be able to finish the content.

If I get into a group on one of my 50s for story kp or ev and I have more hp than one of the tanks that does not mean they don't have the gear to complete it, However I did get into a story KP where one of the tanks had 13k hp and the other was probably slightly above what should be required gear-wise.

There are giving black hole comms as a daily reward to give geared people an incentive to help others gear and experience more content and I am fine with doing some carrying but I want a realistic shot at finishing and getting my daily reward when I use the group finder and I don't need 7 other people in full Rakata or BH gear to do it, but if enough people are still in mostly greens it can become a problem.

may I ask why would a 'geared up' person run a hm fp (even LI) to begin with?

I tell you why: so you get the black hole coms.

here's the funny thing: I'm 100% convinced bioware added those so the geared up people would queue aswell - so in turn the people who normally wouldn't be able to do it can still get in a group for those runs. larger pool of people. nothing else. (and maybe because it takes a while to get the gear for hm denova if you only get the bh coms from story mode... heh. what do I know)



I still want to know how often it actually happens that you queue up for an operation run and it sends you into an ops with completely undergeared people. I still don't believe it's as common as people claim it is.

I quit WoW because my gear got caught between tiers.

Ok so its Biowares fault that you cant figure out that you need to recruit more people into your merry band?

Hi folks,

You may be interested in this post made by Development Director Toni Phillips, in response to group finder feedback from the Public Test Server forum:

Quote: Originally Posted by AntoniaPhillips

So, some of you may have seen my posts in the forums and might have been wondering, “Who is this person?” Well, here it is! My name is Antonia “Toni” Phillips; I’m an industry veteran who has been working on SWTOR for the last two years, most recently with the Group Finder team.

A solid Group Finder system is very important to us and we have been keeping a close eye on the forums and your feedback. We are evaluating all of the feedback from the PTS and I wanted to take a moment to respond to the most popular topics we’ve seen.

Thanks for all the responses and keep it coming!


Shuttling to Starting Location:
One of the issues most commonly noted is that you are not returned to your original location when you end/exit a Flashpoint or Operation.

This is not a bug; let me explain that a little bit better!

In the game today, without the Group Finder, when you exit a Flashpoint or Operation you are NOT shuttled back to your original location - you're taken to the entrance.

Although this is currently how the Flashpoint and Operation exit technology functions, we understand the importance of modifying this functionality, especially for the Group Finder. We already have a plan to provide this as soon as possible. The moment we know what update this can be included with, we will let you know!


Tiers of Flashpoints:
What is the difference between Tier 1 and Tier 2 Flashpoints, you ask? Difficulty! Tier 2 Flashpoints are more difficult than Tier 1 and we felt that it wouldn’t be a good experience to place undergeared players into groups where they couldn’t meaningfully perform their assigned role. To support this, Tier 2 Flashpoints will be disabled by default and must be actively enabled through the Group Finder filters. Although there is only a single selection (Lost Island) for Tier 2 right now, there will be more in the future.

In addition, Tier 1 and Tier 2 Flashpoints share the same Group Finder daily reward mission. As we gather feedback when this feature goes live we will be making changes to the reward structure as needed.


Gear Score:
While we may never implement a “Gear Score” system, we understand the need to correctly match players with appropriate content. We also understand the need to match groups with a high chance for success. We are currently evaluating several ideas to improve this.


Ignore lists and Group Finder:
Quick Tip: if you place a player on your ignore list you will never be matched in a Group Finder group with that player. Although we have a loading screen tip already implemented for this option, we realize that we will need to more clearly communicate this.


Advanced Classes and Roles:
The roles that you are allowed to queue for in Group Finder are based on your Advanced Class and not your skill point allocation. For example, if you are a Jedi Sage you can queue for both Damage and Healing. We know that this option launches in advance of multi-speccing. However, once you launch Group Finder you can limit yourself to a specific role if you so choose.


Queuing Order:
Group Finder attempts to place you into a group by evaluating potential group matches in a specific order. This order is matched to the in-game order displayed in the Group Finder window. For example, at level 50, Group Finder will first check if you can form a valid Operation, and if not, it will then check Hard Mode Flashpoints, and so on. The specifics:

• At level 50 this will be in the following order: Story Mode Operations, Hard Mode Flashpoints Tier 1, Hard Mode Flashpoints Tier 2, Flashpoints, Planetary Destinations
• Under level 50 this will be in the following order: Flashpoints, Planetary Destinations

Planetary Destinations:
You want more content controls for Planetary Destinations and so do we! We know that planetary destinations are an area of improvement for Group Finder in future releases, and we're looking at more options, like adding directly selectable Heroic Missions and world bosses.


As we form our plan for future improvements, one of the pieces we need the most is your feedback. We are in the process of evaluating potential designs for player-set group size and specific mission queuing, among many others.

What do you want to see?

Im NOT a fan of gear scoring people out of content.

Still, I have been matched with people for Lost Island with 13k hp, one guy told us up front (bless him) its his first time in LI normal or hm,
Its asking a bit for me to wipe untill he learns it.

I think its a good call to leave out HM Ops from the LFG, normals sure get 8 in and have a laugh but ops hm requiers a bit of experience in what to do what not to do.

If you're serious about HM Ops, recruit the remaining players you need, setup a raid schedule and have at it.

I think the point of the OP's original post is that he wanted to run HM OPs through the tool. Well sorry it isn't a LFR tool, you want to run ops, you're going to have to put up with the 'incessant chatter' as you put it.