End Game Woes & the LFG Tool without an iLvL ?

When we say undergeared, we aren't saying oranges or even tionese/recruit (except for Tanking Capable classes who queue as tank when they are DPS). It's people who hop in there with greens, no relics, empty moddable gear. These things happen. No good player enters an HM with three 'semi-modded' pieces. I'm sorry.

How does matching people remove anyone?

Surely, you are a troll.

You are asking for it to match the perfect group for you. Guess what it won't. You want the perfect group, form it yourself.

Also, put this in the suggestions thread for adding a gear check for the LFG.

I think something we can all do is if we run into a unguilded, under geared player in a instance or on fleet is feel them out. See what kind of attitude they have and maybe recruit them. Its hard to be a shy solo player sometimes you (the geared player) have got do the reaching out.

Tools that exclude players are bad. I understand the need to have geared people in nightmare and hard modes. But we cant get into the habit excluding players for SMs and regular FPs. You want the game to grow and be around a while. Help them out.

1) This is not what I am asking. That is simply your false interpretation, probably done on purpose.
2) I did put something in the suggestion box already last week. And before you start, I am not the OP of this thread.
3) You are dodging any form of argumentation and reasoning. You are most definitely a troll and apparently derailing this thread seems to be your object (to get it closed).

Whining on the forums about an LFG that doesn't match you with the exact players you want

I didn't say you were the OP, just stating in general this should be in the suggestions forum

Argument: "I want players with my gear expectations to be matched in the group Finder. Reasoning: "Form the group yourself"

To the OP:

Your request isn't unreasonable nor unacceptable...I can understand why you make the requests that you do.

I've been playing MMO's since DAoC day. I remember researching ilvl back when it wasn't shown on the gear....i remember endless theorycrafting threads about RE'ing gear stats to get those calculations. Finally having the ilvl shown on the gear was a blessing and a curse when it finally happened. More of a curse, but it had its high points.

I'm against the current creation of the LFG tool completely. I'm against the idea of why one is necessary when they have done such a bang up job of merging servers. I won't argue the details because that would derail the thread. But the fact that it's here means we need to live with it. I can pretty much get a group together in the same amount of time that the LFG takes on my server. I know that lower population servers have it harder (i merged...it seemed the logical choice. worked out great).

The problem isn't the lack of ilvl (though it could "help"....not sure im convinced it would help more then hurt, but ill leave that on the table). The problem is the LFG tool becomes the standard the moment it's implemented. I knew this would happen...the pro-singers of LFG talked about it being an "Option", and indeed as it stands you don't "have to" use it. But your post OP pretty much shows that it is definitely the standard now, because it has become the method by which people compare how they can get groups and thereby get their "dailies" done.

The real issue is that Bio made it the standard by giving us rewards that overshadow ANY OTHER ASPECT OF THE GAME. there is NOTHING in the game that is more rewarding atm then using the tool. period. people who are gearing up in columni pieces will ignore Rakata (the next logical step) because its' simply too hard to get into runs to get those pieces. As ane example, LI only drops rakata off the LAST BOSS. why worry about that when you can run BH endless times and get 25 black hole comms a week? add in the 6 from the weekly, and your netting 40-41 comms without ever having to step into anything harder then HM BT.

There is no reason to NOT use the Finder now. there is no reason to run much other then one run a day. they bait and tag us with benefits that outperform anything else. It is no wonder that people are asking for their own additions to the finder. though the OP's request is understandable and withing logical reason, I wouldn't be suprised to see a ton of wild requests thrown out with this thing.

IN all actuality, they need to reverse the reward system. the reward for randomly pugging a slot or two should be the fast grouping time IN ITSELF. organizing a run with your guild or friends list is far harder...I think that the BH comms should be a reward for MANUALLY setting up a group, and the LFG should rewuard standard daily tokens (of which there is already a quest for...it should just automatically drop into your quest log when you queue for a pug). if they did that, then people would have allot of reason to MANUALLY set up their team...and those who "need" the LFG can still use it, and they will be rewarded by getting a group when other means are simply too difficult for them. it's not hard to impliment either...LFG has a random button and a manual button. manual button enabled, you select 4 people you choose yourself, and once the group is full it engages, and you can choose the run of your choice. random does it all....random.

this is the pivotal issue in just about every LFG/RDF tool i've seen to date. players have rapidly found that RDF/LFG nets the fastest results with the least amount of work and least amount of accountability. There is NO REASON why we should further emphasis a bad solution to a bad issue by rewarding those who choose the easy path (not easy bad...simply easier). its very logical...the reason why a pre-made meal is more expensive then buying similar quality ingredients and making it yourself....the reward is a fast meal with little effort. If pre-made meals were cheaper then making yourself....the grocery business would be OUT of business. that is not logical, and I don't understand why LFG should be illogical either. the reward is the fast group. the comms should be rewarded for manually setting up a group. not the other way around.

TL - DR: I don't disagree with your request OP, but The issue isn't lack of ilvl. It's a broke system that rewards people for being lazy and being unaccountable. you may not be either....but the system rewards them anyways. changing the rewards is a ncessity if the LFG system is going to be a positive addition to the game.

Finally, someone understands

I feel your pain. I've tried using group find to run sm ops a few times. One run lasted over three hours and we still couldn't kill SOA. It wasn't for lack of trying! Some people are simply not geared for these encounters and/or have no sense on how to play their character.

I think people are getting skill and gear confused.

You don;t know the skill of the player you are being grouped with, all you know is his gear, given even odds the player is good or bad, I will take the better geared player every time.

In short, i don't care if the bad geared player might have amazing skill or the good geared player might be poorly skilled, since the opposite is just as likely to be true, if not more so.