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Why swtor is not succesfull


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Blackardin
07.08.2012 , 05:05 AM | #121
Disagree with the article. The author is taking the opinion of a very tiny minority and extrapolating that out to the entirety of the player base. Role players likefluff just as min maxers like grinding rare stat boosters. Neither, in my opinion, will grab up the lion's share of the demographic needed to maintain a video game. Success can be narrowed down to one word.

That, in a word, is content. Content, content, content. Fun content. Fun content with rewards that advance players to the next level of content. Expansions that continue providing content for players to consume. Content that includes gear, crafting, adventure, story in an easy to participate, easy to enjoy bed of lightly sprinkled fluff designed to enhance that content.
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amnie
07.08.2012 , 05:06 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by arcdaemon View Post
Lotro is the worst game ever what like 200k people play that game and it's f2p lol.
so what if it's f2p?

and even though I'm sure you pulled the 200k out of your.. behind... that is a huge number. people are just used to only ever hearing about the 10 milion subs WoW has, how SWTOR has 'failed' because it didn't reach the 2 milion right away and all that... but these numbers are far from standart. that's like saying a band like 'parkway drive' isn't successful because they 'only' play infront of 2000 people - and not 50,000 like all the generic pop stars or the 'big names'
and yet the band members of parkway drive can afford living 'well-off' and make fun of their fans for buying their way-too-expensive-and-totally-ridiculous merch.

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Valkirus
07.08.2012 , 06:37 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
OK i may not be the brightest spark in the box when it comes to figures but the 2nd post down states so how do they have 10.2 mil subscribers with only 10 million users, battlenet covers more then wow as you have to have it to have starcraft and D3.
Keep in mind, D3 was released after that post, so it would not be inc. And maybe in some countries to play WoW, you donot need a battlenet tag. Such as in China.
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JudasMagnus
07.08.2012 , 06:51 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by arcdaemon View Post
Lotro is the worst game ever what like 200k people play that game and it's f2p lol.
Lotro's design keeps a interested player interested for a very long course of time.

Swtor's design keeps a interested player interested for a very short time, once they lose the desire to "re-roll," and have nothing but flashpoints/ops and warzones to do at endgame.

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YeknomStun
07.08.2012 , 06:58 AM | #125
Goldshire wasn't anything special by design, it became what it is from the community. Any place has that potential, and TOR has some way better settings for such activity. People forget that it takes some player initiative to create some of this fluff, and things like that don't ship at release or come overnight or in a patch.

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Valkirus
07.08.2012 , 07:00 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by MetallicaRulez View Post
The biggest strike against SWTOR for me is that the world feels empty and partitioned off. It doesn't feel like I'm in a huge galaxy full of cool places, it feels like I'm in a loading screen simulator. Everything is sealed behind loading screens, breaking the feel of "travel" and making everything feel instanced.

The Hero Engine is just a giant pile of crap, basically. It's poorly optimized, causes HUGE loading times, and struggles on even beastly PC rigs. It's pretty sad, honestly, if you think about how mediocre the graphics and effects are even with all the problems. Give me WoW's terrible graphics but smooth gameplay any day of the week.
Exactly. Even in Rift I can look at a mountian range and usually find a way to climb to the top of it and over. I have a screen shot in it, with my char at the top of a mountian ridge, looking out across a spawling valley. WoW has several places like that you can do too. The worlds in LOTRO, Rift and WoW feel open. And even a lot of the WoW haters have admited WoW's combat animation and smooth mechanics are some of the best.

TOR has some nice features, namely the customizing UI is one of the best I have experenced. And of course the story line for each class is excellent, as is the companion system. But until they put some other stuff into the game to make it feel more alive, it will continue to lag behind other MMO's in some important elements.
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Ansalem
07.08.2012 , 07:28 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by amnie View Post
so what if it's f2p?

and even though I'm sure you pulled the 200k out of your.. behind... that is a huge number. people are just used to only ever hearing about the 10 milion subs WoW has, how SWTOR has 'failed' because it didn't reach the 2 milion right away and all that... but these numbers are far from standart. that's like saying a band like 'parkway drive' isn't successful because they 'only' play infront of 2000 people - and not 50,000 like all the generic pop stars or the 'big names'
and yet the band members of parkway drive can afford living 'well-off' and make fun of their fans for buying their way-too-expensive-and-totally-ridiculous merch.
the 200k is pretty realistic actually. Your number of 10M for wow though is way off. WOW is under 8M subs now and dropping more subs than swtor per month still.
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Darth_Acherus
07.08.2012 , 07:31 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Comstrike View Post
More people eat at McDonalds, but is it better than Delmonico's?

Raw numbers of players aren't what people are putting forward as the point of comparison. People are pointing out that in a broader context, LOTRO, which gains from years of development SWTOR hasn't had time for yet, is a model with features that are appealing. This is a more mature, abstract comparison folks are making.
That's funny people use the the numbers argument to say wow is better than swtor.
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Valkirus
07.08.2012 , 07:40 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansalem View Post
the 200k is pretty realistic actually. Your number of 10M for wow though is way off. WOW is under 8M subs now and dropping more subs than swtor per month still.
Where do you get those numbers from? Based on your own personal dislike for the game and your small community of friends who also hate it? We will not know for sure what any MMO subs are until they release the last quarterly sub figures and Blizzard has not done that yet.
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Darth_Acherus
07.08.2012 , 07:50 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Valkirus View Post
Where do you get those numbers from? Based on your own personal dislike for the game and your small community of friends who also hate it? We will not know for sure what any MMO subs are until they release the last quarterly sub figures and Blizzard has not done that yet.
I wonder how many of those "8 million" are from north america/europe...
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