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Ansalem
07.05.2012 , 04:06 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
Even when you do get a group together via the Group Finder (and not the "old-fashioned" way), communication is always going to help your group be successful. Now that the Group Finder is out, lots of players may be trying out Flashpoints or Operations that they haven't tried before.

If you've never done the content before, it helps to speak up! Let your group know with something as simple as, "Hey, I've never beaten this Flashpoint before - can someone explain the bosses/mechanics to me?" Generally, someone else in the group will be able to offer you a brief explanation. Letting people know that you've never been but are willing to pay attention and learn is always much better than making a mistake!

If you have done the content before, you can help by stepping up to explain. Some people may be afraid of how a group will react if they're new, so take the lead and help! If someone seems to be having trouble (or if they're doing something wrong) and you can offer tips, do it! Remember, everyone has to do something for the first time once, and it doesn't help to get upset with people right away - give people a chance and some explanation and encouragement.

Good communication is definitely a key to success, so speak up!
There are many people out there that do not listen period. And frankly Im getting tired of babysitting for players who either don't have a clue as to what they are doing or are wearing the worst gear out there and expecting to be carried through an instance. For the love of all that is holy at least put in a gear check for certain hms so people dont get stuck with complete imbeciles who don't listen and are not prepared for a flash point. I swear if I get put into a HM LI with another tank that has 13k hps and doesnt even have implants or an earpiece I am going to scream.

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HKtheindomitable
07.05.2012 , 04:33 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
Even when you do get a group together via the Group Finder (and not the "old-fashioned" way), communication is always going to help your group be successful. Now that the Group Finder is out, lots of players may be trying out Flashpoints or Operations that they haven't tried before.

If you've never done the content before, it helps to speak up! Let your group know with something as simple as, "Hey, I've never beaten this Flashpoint before - can someone explain the bosses/mechanics to me?" Generally, someone else in the group will be able to offer you a brief explanation. Letting people know that you've never been but are willing to pay attention and learn is always much better than making a mistake!

If you have done the content before, you can help by stepping up to explain. Some people may be afraid of how a group will react if they're new, so take the lead and help! If someone seems to be having trouble (or if they're doing something wrong) and you can offer tips, do it! Remember, everyone has to do something for the first time once, and it doesn't help to get upset with people right away - give people a chance and some explanation and encouragement.

Good communication is definitely a key to success, so speak up!
Agreement: This kind of thing needs to be heard.

Addendum: I would like to add that SAYING WHO'S DOING WHAT (eg. who's CCing what enemy) helps too. Not just going in and expecting people to predict your actions.
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Darthwolfin
07.05.2012 , 08:13 PM | #13
Well I haven't done a few of the final Flashpoint or the Operations before. The lFG tool does work but there are people who do not listen..or at the very least do not understand their class roles...When Im the teams medic and im getting hit by every single member of the mob.. the tank does not understand how to tank.
That being said I have recently run a few of the lvl 50 Flash points with other who have never done them either. Besides the group with a tank who couldn't tank properly (he dc'd and we got a new one, who knew what he was doing) they all went very well. Some issues with certain bosses, namely trying to figure out how best to take them on. But on the whole..very successful and enjoyable.

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Sickith
07.05.2012 , 08:28 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansalem View Post
For the love of all that is holy at least put in a gear check for certain hms so people dont get stuck with complete imbeciles who don't listen and are not prepared for a flash point.
Mm gear check... i remember this! Theres a way round this in blue pvp gear right... oh wait wrong game!

People will always look for the away round the checkers, so why waste the developers time in creating a gear checking system, its will be useless.
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JimG
07.05.2012 , 08:52 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansalem View Post
For the love of all that is holy at least put in a gear check for certain hms so people dont get stuck with complete imbeciles who don't listen and are not prepared for a flash point. I swear if I get put into a HM LI with another tank that has 13k hps and doesnt even have implants or an earpiece I am going to scream.
If you don't want to ever play with someone again, then put them on your ignore list and you'll never get matched up with them again. The problem with a gear check is that there is no way to put a fair gear check in....it will always be an arbitrary level. Most people want some cushy, guaranteed streamroll through content so whatever they claim is "necessary" to run particular content usually ends up being more than you really need.

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Larry_Dallas
07.06.2012 , 01:06 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
Even when you do get a group together via the Group Finder (and not the "old-fashioned" way), communication is always going to help your group be successful. Now that the Group Finder is out, lots of players may be trying out Flashpoints or Operations that they haven't tried before.

If you've never done the content before, it helps to speak up! Let your group know with something as simple as, "Hey, I've never beaten this Flashpoint before - can someone explain the bosses/mechanics to me?" Generally, someone else in the group will be able to offer you a brief explanation. Letting people know that you've never been but are willing to pay attention and learn is always much better than making a mistake!

If you have done the content before, you can help by stepping up to explain. Some people may be afraid of how a group will react if they're new, so take the lead and help! If someone seems to be having trouble (or if they're doing something wrong) and you can offer tips, do it! Remember, everyone has to do something for the first time once, and it doesn't help to get upset with people right away - give people a chance and some explanation and encouragement.

Good communication is definitely a key to success, so speak up!
If I use group finder, I find it easiest to stop at the beginning and let people pick marks for themselves to be used for ccs. Call out cc before a mob that requires it. That's unless everyone's geared and knows the drill, in which case it's not necessary.

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Larry_Dallas
07.06.2012 , 01:31 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Ansalem View Post
There are many people out there that do not listen period. And frankly Im getting tired of babysitting for players who either don't have a clue as to what they are doing or are wearing the worst gear out there and expecting to be carried through an instance. For the love of all that is holy at least put in a gear check for certain hms so people dont get stuck with complete imbeciles who don't listen and are not prepared for a flash point. I swear if I get put into a HM LI with another tank that has 13k hps and doesnt even have implants or an earpiece I am going to scream.
You shouldnt be using group finder for LI in my opinion, unless you're group queing with a premade. Too many instructions and the way one tank's used to tanking lorick and the robot isn't necessarily going to work for every group composition even if they're geared enough to beat the FP which isn't a given. If the tank's used to ranged dps and both dps are ops, for instance, you're gonna be boned for a long time on boss #1. Even some of the trash has tricks to it (guys A B and F need to be cced or the mob's immortal; if you use aoe in room X the group wipes, did everyone walk in with a good supply of rakghoul vaccine etc). Just too many instructions for my taste and too little margin for error for this to be done with strangers without spending an inordinate amount of money on repairs.

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LarryRow
07.06.2012 , 06:33 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Sickith View Post
Mm gear check... i remember this! Theres a way round this in blue pvp gear right... oh wait wrong game!

People will always look for the away round the checkers, so why waste the developers time in creating a gear checking system, its will be useless.
I think if they have enough experience with the game to fool a gear check, they will probably be ok to run the content. It's more for newbs (as opposed to noobs) who don't know what flashpoint requires what gear.

And anyway, how will you fool a system that checks your main stat and endurance? That's all that is needed to gauge your gear progression.

In the meantime, you can politely excuse someone from the group. We did it on KP story mode to someone in level 40 greens. "Sorry newb, you don't have the gear you need for this content. Here's how you get it: [brief explanation of the three daily areas]." Then we vote kicked.

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PalihoJ
07.06.2012 , 07:13 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
Even when you do get a group together via the Group Finder (and not the "old-fashioned" way), communication is always going to help your group be successful. Now that the Group Finder is out, lots of players may be trying out Flashpoints or Operations that they haven't tried before.

If you've never done the content before, it helps to speak up! Let your group know with something as simple as, "Hey, I've never beaten this Flashpoint before - can someone explain the bosses/mechanics to me?" Generally, someone else in the group will be able to offer you a brief explanation. Letting people know that you've never been but are willing to pay attention and learn is always much better than making a mistake!

If you have done the content before, you can help by stepping up to explain. Some people may be afraid of how a group will react if they're new, so take the lead and help! If someone seems to be having trouble (or if they're doing something wrong) and you can offer tips, do it! Remember, everyone has to do something for the first time once, and it doesn't help to get upset with people right away - give people a chance and some explanation and encouragement.

Good communication is definitely a key to success, so speak up!
IMHO essentially this is true and very good advice....however, as with most things in life it is not so simple.
I have seen signs that the SWTOR community is STARTING to go the same way as a large proportion of the community in another well known MMO, even a couple of posts in this thread point in this direction.
I have not used the SWTOR lfg tool as I am lucky enough to be a member of an active guild, but from my experiences in that other well known MMO being up front and honest often doesn't get the desired results. Going back to January 2011 not long after the release of the latest xp of a certain game I lost count of the number of times I was kicked from a group immediately because I was honest/stupid enough to open up with "Hi all, I've not done this instance before so please bear with me".
I know because the lfg tool is not x server this should reduce the chances of this happeneing but I hope it does not become as impersonal as I have seen before. It starts to feel less like a group of people getting together to achieve something and more like a production line to run through as quickly and easily as possible.

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Kothe
07.06.2012 , 07:27 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Glzmo View Post
That's very good advice, Allison. It's always a good idea to communicate to ensure a successful multiplayer endavour.

Unfortunately, communication options in this game are rather limited. I really wish the game had better tools for communication to be able to follow your advice better - like chat bubbles, for example. For many players, communication in the game is incredibly awkward at the moment without them. Hopefully they will be patched in ASAP in one of the upcoming patches!
Integrated voice chat would help in many situations as well.
Some good advice was given...communication is key for successful runs. For guild runs of anything, using vent or TS or whatever else makes things easier. With the GF, you are not likely to share your guild info with random people. There are some fights where having to type out the entire fight beforehand is just not enough. A new person is not going to capture everything they may need to. Having to stop mid fight and type because something significant happened and some sort of adjustment needs to be made may lead to a wipe. IN GAME VOICE CHAT is needed. I don't understand how this game launched without it. And while i'm at it...Raid/Target assist! Not entirely necessary for FPs as there actually is a good feature for a group of that size.