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Captain_Zone
07.05.2012 , 10:54 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Mannic View Post
Lucas needs someone around him with the authority to prevent him from making these kinds of mistakes. If he'd had full control over ep 4, Star Wars would have been a typical, campy sci-fi movie and would never have been as popular as it became.

He needs someone who can tell him, "no George, Han didn't shoot first, there are no midchlorians, there's no Jar-jar Binks, and Anakin Skywalker is not a snot-nosed brat who you want to see die in an explosion."

Lucas is the perfect example of someone who has a lot of talent but needs an editor.
Ummm.... not sure if that's a typo, but Han DID shoot. He shot first, last, and only one round was fired in that original altercation. He gunned Greedo down. He gunned Greedo down for well over 20 years! Then the scene was changed the first time to show Greedo getting a reaction shot in. Han still shot first. Then OVER 25 YEARS LATER, Greedo shoots first.

No matter how George rationalizes his choices, that's just it. Rationalization. If a filmmaker has integrity, he leaves his movies the way they were. He does NOT go back and change scenes to suit how he now feels they should be. I say that because IF a fimmaker makes changes, they should be in a Director's Cut, NOT be put forward as the ONLY option to fans. That's narcissism, plain and simple.

I agree that the Prequels could have been done better, especially if George had some actual advisors on staff instead of the "yes men" he surrounds himself with constantly. As a script writer, he has a self-admitted inability to write dialogue. As a director, he lacks the discipline necessary to keep everything consistent. As a fimmaker/producer, he lacks the integrity to stand by his creations, and tries to "improve" them. Usually with /facepalm results from fans.

That said, as a grand scope storyteller, he's still one of the best.
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07.05.2012 , 11:01 AM | #22
I'm pretty neutral on this one. I can see the scene having two meanings.

1. Han Shot First version: This shows that Han's got the right stuff to fight the Empire. Casually shooting the Rodian showed he had the will to live, and the ability to win against odds stackedh against him by any means.

2. Greedo Shot First version: This portrays Han more willing to avoid fighting. Never fight when you can bluff, if I recall that code correctly. He wanted to avoid putting his life at risk, making him more Smuggler-ish.

There's my opinion. I'd also like to add that Lucas has the right to change his movies at will.
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07.05.2012 , 11:08 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by bionamaster View Post
I'd also like to add that Lucas has the right to change his movies at will.
Yes he does. And shows a complete lack of integrity every time he does so. A Director's Cut released alongside Original Versions of the OT would go a long way toward changing a lot of minds, but he still fails to do so. He even refuses to send Original Versions to the Library of Congress. When they requested some Original OTs for public viewing, he sent them the most recent revisions. Who does he think he's fooling? lol
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07.05.2012 , 11:29 AM | #24
People need to stop whining about changes Lucas makes to the movies. Jeez, talk about first world problems.

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07.05.2012 , 11:43 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
Yes he does. And shows a complete lack of integrity every time he does so. A Director's Cut released alongside Original Versions of the OT would go a long way toward changing a lot of minds, but he still fails to do so. He even refuses to send Original Versions to the Library of Congress. When they requested some Original OTs for public viewing, he sent them the most recent revisions. Who does he think he's fooling? lol
I do not see how that shows a lack of integrity. Argue how you don't like it, but as an artist myself, the medium being worked on can change and evolve in a way that makes you want to constantly work on it. I never consider any of my creations finished works because they are not and they will not always satisfy you forever. I would argue it can even be unhealthy for the mind to let those things go but I will settle with it just shows he is will to play with art.

If you are going to argue anything, argue that GL has been a hypocrite with how he acts and believes things in the past 30 years. Whether he had a change of heart as Star Wars grew past his expectations or simply has his films be the exception to his rules has more worth in arguing, imo.
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07.05.2012 , 12:09 PM | #26
so a 5 month old thread was resurrected to complain about a question already answered here and in lore multiple times?

lmao
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07.05.2012 , 02:11 PM | #27
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so a 5 month old thread was resurrected to complain about a question already answered here and in lore multiple times?

lmao
To be fair since we are all posting here it isn't like we have anything better to discuss.
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07.05.2012 , 02:29 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Forgon View Post
I do not see how that shows a lack of integrity. Argue how you don't like it, but as an artist myself, the medium being worked on can change and evolve in a way that makes you want to constantly work on it. I never consider any of my creations finished works because they are not and they will not always satisfy you forever. I would argue it can even be unhealthy for the mind to let those things go but I will settle with it just shows he is will to play with art.

If you are going to argue anything, argue that GL has been a hypocrite with how he acts and believes things in the past 30 years. Whether he had a change of heart as Star Wars grew past his expectations or simply has his films be the exception to his rules has more worth in arguing, imo.
So, as an artist, would you go back and retcon your own work?

Oh, and George IS a hypocrite from the word Go. He argues against the modification of existing movies, then turns around and says "Hey! I can do that to my movies! Herp to the derp!"
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07.05.2012 , 03:06 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Tuscad View Post
To be fair since we are all posting here it isn't like we have anything better to discuss.
meh that doesn't mean it's worth discussing... it just means we all have to much time to waste ... which is sad
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07.05.2012 , 06:03 PM | #30
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meh that doesn't mean it's worth discussing... it just means we all have to much time to waste ... which is sad
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