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HM EC now obsolete.


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AichaHalcyon
06.28.2012 , 03:33 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Craxim View Post
Did you read what I posted? It seems like I'm linking gear with bad mods because I'm linking the Black Hole gear you said was BiS and made HM EC pointless. You yourself just said it had bad mods. You just proved my point.

You are wrong. Black Hole is not BiS. HM EC is not obsolete. You need to run it to be BiS.
I think his point is that all the various mods/amoring/enhancements for each piece of Campaign gear can be cobbled together buy purchasing various pieces of Black Hole gear and stripping the mods and putting them into the appropriate piece of gear. Which could mean that a Sentinel DPS would have to purchase a piece of Scoundrel Healer gear in order to find the same mod that the Sent DPS would get in his Campaign gear. (That was just an example I made up, I have no idea what mods are in what gear, especially for classes other than my own.)

I think that's what he is referring to anyway. It would be possible to Frankenstein your Black Hole coms into the correct configuration of Campaign gear. But that's beside the point that it would take forever to do, be expensive as heck, and it would still benefit you to run Denova in order to get as many Black Hole coms as possible.
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Craxim
06.28.2012 , 03:35 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by AichaHalcyon View Post
I think his point is that all the various mods/amoring/enhancements for each piece of Campaign gear can be cobbled together buy purchasing various pieces of Black Hole gear and stripping the mods and putting them into the appropriate piece of gear. Which could mean that a Sentinel DPS would have to purchase a piece of Scoundrel Healer gear in order to find the same mod that the Sent DPS would get in his Campaign gear. (That was just an example I made up, I have no idea what mods are in what gear, especially for classes other than my own.)

I think that's what he is referring to anyway. It would be possible to Frankenstein your Black Hole coms into the correct configuration of Campaign gear. But that's beside the point that it would take forever to do, be expensive as heck, and it would still benefit you to run Denova in order to get as many Black Hole coms as possible.
Not sure about DPS, but as far as tanking goes, the Campaign is the ONLY place to get what is needed for us Juggs.
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Khevar
06.28.2012 , 03:35 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by pure_laced View Post
Why does it matter though? Let us say for argument's sake you are the 100th best skilled player in the world (if such a thing could even be measured). Why are you upset that some Joe Blow off the Nar Shadda block has roughly the same gear as you because he bought all blackhole gear and replaced his mods. You are still the 100th best skilled player in the world.

The best gear isn't released yet. It is coming whenever they get around to developing it. Guess where it will be found? Nightmare Mode. They are claiming NiM will be all new gear, mods, etc and it will be in guild's best interests to down bosses. This is where the skill part kicks in.

Stop whining.
I'm going to hazard a guess here -- perhaps the people complaining about the extra BH mods feel the reward for playing well is GEAR, rather than people who like the idea of extra BH mods, where the reward of playing well is defeating CONTENT.

If that's the case, then I can understand the frustration.

Personally, I feel that gear is a waypoint, not a destination. I derive fun playing the game with my guild and the various social interactions that go along with it. But I can understand that someone with gear as their end goal would feel cheapened by others obtaining it easier than they did. I don't agree with it personally, but I can understand it.

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Powerrmongerr
06.28.2012 , 03:55 PM | #74
HM EC is irrelevant outside of a couple of narrow exceptions:

1.)There are some desirable enhancements and modifications that cannot be replicated by stripping black hole gear, because no black hole gear has that combination. A few tanking examples are out there .. .and yes, they are REALLY desirable, and I can't find them on BH gear. I would be willing to grind for a while to get a bunch of them, but it's hard to justify the raid time for what amounts to a few percentage points here and there. I'm not sure this is the case for every class, though. I'm sure some classes find the BH gear to be better or on par, thereby removing this incentive.

2.)For min/maxers who want to customize appearance, the set bonus being on the armoring is a godsend. But, this is basically a cosmetic issue.

I can only imagine they bloated the BH rewards because so few people could do the content to get the gear. I think they went a bit too far, though. Seems like there are two easy ways to fix this problem. Reduce the Black Hole LFG rewards ... keep it at four BH comms for the LFG Ops and two for the flashpoints seems more balanced.

The other option, without completely reworking campaign gear, would to be make the set bonuses different (and much better).

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jubjubjubjub
06.28.2012 , 09:08 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
The black hole gear is inferior to the campaign gear...
This^^ Mk-1 gear is not as good as campaign. Oddly enough augmented rakata is better than Campaign for Trooper Eliminator gear. don't know what the thought process was there

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Shiftyas
06.28.2012 , 10:31 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Craxim View Post
Did you read what I posted? It seems like I'm linking gear with bad mods because I'm linking the Black Hole gear you said was BiS and made HM EC pointless. You yourself just said it had bad mods. You just proved my point.

Guess I'll have to be more specific for those lesser minded of us here.

Campaign War Leader's Greaves, the mod and enhancement from these is the same as the one from Campaign War Leader's Headgear, and cannot be found in any Black Hole Bulwark. The enhancement from Campaign War Leader's Boots can only be found in this piece and not in any Black Hole.

Not to mention Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Armguards are high in strength unlike Campaign War Leader's Armguards which are better because they are high in Endurance.

Lastly, as others have mentioned, Campaign War Leader's Lightsaber is HM EC only and so is Campaign War Leader's Shield.

I don't see how you don't have any idea what my point is, seeing as I just said my point. Let me reiterate a little more clearly for you.

You are wrong. Black Hole is not BiS. HM EC is not obsolete. You need to run it to be BiS.
Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Headgear There is the mod you want, it took 10 seconds to find so I'm not going to bother with the enhancements. They're probably out there too, just cause you're not good at finding things doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Shiftyas
06.28.2012 , 10:37 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by AichaHalcyon View Post
I'm just curious how it would impact you in any way, shape, or form then. So they have the same gear, who cares? It doesn't mean they are as good as you or are clearing the same content as you. Literally, unless the only reason you play the game is to make sure you have better gear than everyone else, it shouldn't matter. It's not like they are using it for an advantage against you in PVP. Then I could see a problem with that.

It is kind of amusing that this thread starting out with the idea that nobody would have to run HM EC to gear up for the next tier of content, when in reality you just want to make sure you and yours are better geared than the "less skilled" players.
It's not just that they have the same gear, it's that I no longer need to put effort in to get the best gear. The game just became far too easy, It's like the bulls*** they're doing in schools now and giving everyone that participated the same reward in sports. *** is the point in trying/being good if the outcome is the same for everyone? It's like playing soccer and the fat kid that just sits down picking at the grass the whole time is told he's as good as the kid that scored 3 goals. F*** that!

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Raansu
06.28.2012 , 10:42 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
It's not just that they have the same gear, it's that I no longer need to put effort in to get the best gear. The game just became far too easy, It's like the bulls*** they're doing in schools now and giving everyone that participated the same reward in sports. *** is the point in trying/being good if the outcome is the same for everyone? It's like playing soccer and the fat kid that just sits down picking at the grass the whole time is told he's as good as the kid that scored 3 goals. F*** that!
Getting 5 BH comms a day will take you longer to get all the mods from an inferior BH gear then it would to do one run of EC HM. I don't see how people think it's easier with the daily random LFG queue. You still have to run HM content and you have to do them every single day for FIVE comms...whoopdie doo.

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Shiftyas
06.28.2012 , 10:48 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
Getting 5 BH comms a day will take you longer to get all the mods from an inferior BH gear then it would to do one run of EC HM. I don't see how people think it's easier with the daily random LFG queue. You still have to run HM content and you have to do them every single day for FIVE comms...whoopdie doo.
Yeah, the problem with this is 5 comms a day isn't all you can get. There is the dailies weekly, SM EC, NM KP, Pilgrim and the groopfinder for SM EV/KP. It's easy as hell to get BH comms.
I'm also not saying that people clearing HM EC are going to stop because of it. What I am saying is it's possible to get pretty much as geared not clearing HM EC as you could get clearing it. Sure you might end up 10-20 stats short but "whoopdie doo"

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Raansu
06.28.2012 , 11:18 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
Yeah, the problem with this is 5 comms a day isn't all you can get. There is the dailies weekly, SM EC, NM KP, Pilgrim and the groopfinder for SM EV/KP. It's easy as hell to get BH comms.
I'm also not saying that people clearing HM EC are going to stop because of it. What I am saying is it's possible to get pretty much as geared not clearing HM EC as you could get clearing it. Sure you might end up 10-20 stats short but "whoopdie doo"
Thats alot of work for BH comms when you can just run EC HM once and get 3-4 pieces of a gear in one run. Just saying.