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Hating my Sorc right now

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Hating my Sorc right now

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islander
06.28.2012 , 12:17 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Evil_Santa View Post
LOL

Took this two nights ago - in ranked.

http://i.imgur.com/FbEnh.jpg

Totally broken.
Spec? Is it the 13/28 (or 14/27)?

Looks like you had to do nothing but stand there and spam skills. You had 3 healers keeping you all upright. Must be nice.
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DCVAN
06.28.2012 , 01:21 PM | #42
Everyone is always talking about how burst is king in pvp. Which may be true when it comes down to scoring the kill, but people are forgetting how important the dot classes and cc'ers are. I hate to bring up wow, but almost every competitive arena team has a warlock. They don't bring the lock for burst damage, instead they bring a lock so he can put sustained dmg on the whole team while having amazing cc (and dispel protection). I think a sorc/sage dps can fill that role well. A class that can dot multiple targets and deals sustained dmg, complements a burst dmg class. I think having a sorc on your team will help your marauders/pyrotechs/snipers score their kills, by getting the enemy healer multitasking and behind on resources.

Just my two cents.
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Astarica
06.28.2012 , 01:24 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by DCVAN View Post
Everyone is always talking about how burst is king in pvp. Which may be true when it comes down to scoring the kill, but people are forgetting how important the dot classes and cc'ers are. I hate to bring up wow, but almost every competitive arena team has a warlock. They don't bring the lock for burst damage, instead they bring a lock so he can put sustained dmg on the whole team while having amazing cc (and dispel protection). I think a sorc/sage dps can fill that role well. A class that can dot multiple targets and deals sustained dmg, complements a burst dmg class. I think having a sorc on your team will help your marauders/pyrotechs/snipers score their kills, by getting the enemy healer multitasking and behind on resources.

Just my two cents.
Dots are only worth about half a point of direct damage because they're easy to outheal. That said a good Sorc could do twice the damage of the best single target class. If a Marauder did 500K and a Sorc did 1 million, the Sorc certainly pulled his weight even if it's mostly dots + AEs. But if the Sorc only did 500K, he's usually much worse than the Marauder even if the total numbers read the same.

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UGLYMRJ
06.28.2012 , 01:26 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
Spec? Is it the 13/28 (or 14/27)?

Looks like you had to do nothing but stand there and spam skills. You had 3 healers keeping you all upright. Must be nice.
I have a sorc in my guild that puts up numbers similar to this and often better... I've seen him dump totals of up to a million between heals and damage combined. No he didn't have guard, or healers on him. I'm not saying the didn't have healers healing him, but he didn't not have a pocket healer or multiple healers keeping an eye on him. This guys does it over and over and will crush me and my marauder... and I'm better than most marauders. Top or near top damage in every WZ. Sorcs can be beast when used properly. I haven't rolled one yet so I can't give any advice other than do some research. They are capable of some ridiculous numbers.

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FourTwent
06.28.2012 , 01:40 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Tavarus View Post
Never felt so freakin squishy...or like my damage is so completely insignficant. We really need an oh crap button and higher damage to effectively compete in pvp right now. A marauder can run up to me and hit that channeled lighstaber attack and knock off half my health. I wouldn't feel so bad except for the fact that my gear is just shy of the best you can have.
I've been saying this for a while. It's the reason why I think sorcs are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to healers. Their utility currently in game just doesn't live up to the type of play thats happening in PvP right now.

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SweetOldBob
06.28.2012 , 01:45 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by LancelotOC View Post
Consider that, for all the people saying play a Sorc just play well and you will be ok, you never see people having to say the same thing to people playing other classes.
Not so. Go to the Commando page; it gets pretty repetitive, except that quite a few say there's no point rather than you have to play well.
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Stavroz
06.28.2012 , 01:54 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Evil_Santa View Post
LOL

Took this two nights ago - in ranked.

http://i.imgur.com/FbEnh.jpg

Totally broken.
The Sage/Sorc output is not the problem with the class.

Its it total lack of survivability in competitive geared matches, especially for healer variants.
Healers are the most trained classes in the game.

Scoundrel healers and Commando healers both have greater survivability making them a more forgiving class.
They both have defensive cool downs that allows them to take care of themselves even while being trained by multiple classes thus they don't have to be babied as much as sages.

The smart teams target the sage/sorcs first for a reason. Its no a random event. Its very simple.

They are the weakest link in a game.
The fact that you can pull out great numbers is not a necessarily a reflection of your great skill but the lack of skill on the opponents behalf for not training you and getting an easy kill to give its team the numerical advantage.

No one is saying that in the hands of a skilled player a sage/sorc is not good. What ppl are saying is that same skilled player will get more out of the other classes as they are superior in many ways.
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wolfmith
06.28.2012 , 02:48 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Evil_Santa View Post
LOL

Took this two nights ago - in ranked.

http://i.imgur.com/FbEnh.jpg

Totally broken.
you gotta be joking me.... you haven't even done 75k healing !! I usually do over 100k just spamming bubbles to protect me from atacks ! you must have been focused hard.... lol
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chrisronline
06.28.2012 , 02:49 PM | #49
I'm not participating in rated, so I can only speak of experience in normal WZs, but I'm not finding any problem with my 21/20 hybrid. I don't necessarily end the WZ with the top healing stats or top damage/healing ratio, but I do feel my role is effective in each WZ. I used to be full Seer until 1.2 when I switched to the hybrid and the thing you have to realize about the hybrid is that you should always be DPSing when possible. I love switching gears and starting to lay on some LOLburst DPS on low targets (spam Disturbance until Tidal Force proc then Tidal Force/Project/TeleThrow). Because of that, I'm assisting my team in killing healers and DPS, thus alleviating some of the damage output being done (so even though I heal for less, I help kill to reduce incoming damage, etc). This is especially helpful if you get into a team with multiple healers on your side and you can't kill fast enough to grab an objective.

Just remember that as a sage you must always be mobile and position yourself well - do not allow yourself to get caught out in the open when two melee jump you. Also, this information assumes that are you running in PuGs where you do not usually have a guard or friendly peels assisting you.
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ShiroRX
06.28.2012 , 02:53 PM | #50
Squishy, ranged classes need to learn to LOS better. Ya know the old adage, out of sight out of mind. Basically no Sorc I see tries to LOS until they're low (i.e. the dps already found them). The only map where this is a problem is Novare since its so open.

Watch Krunchy on twitch.tv for lessons on healing LOS. Should be streaming under mediaswtor name.
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