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DPS queuing as tanks/healers


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Aetou
06.27.2012 , 03:22 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Nolenthar View Post

As well, FP HM were nerfed so much that you can do them in green I'm afraid.
The problem is that while you can definitely tank most HM FPs as, say, a Vig specced Guardian that does rely on having a good healer as well as good gear on the tank. With the tool you aren't guaranteed either of those things which is why you need people to be in the correct roles. Sure, if you have 4 good players on TS then you can do all sorts of crazy things with composition but when there is a very real possibility that 2 of the group will be undergeared and inexperienced somebody doing those sorts of crazy things takes the situation from being a close call to a certain wipe.

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Nolenthar
06.27.2012 , 03:45 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Aetou View Post
The problem is that while you can definitely tank most HM FPs as, say, a Vig specced Guardian that does rely on having a good healer as well as good gear on the tank. With the tool you aren't guaranteed either of those things which is why you need people to be in the correct roles. Sure, if you have 4 good players on TS then you can do all sorts of crazy things with composition but when there is a very real possibility that 2 of the group will be undergeared and inexperienced somebody doing those sorts of crazy things takes the situation from being a close call to a certain wipe.
Yes, but there is simply no solution to this. The community has to policy itself, the players have to take responsability of their actions just as much as they would before LFG tool was included.

No matter how many restrictions you would implement, such as gear check, a feat check, a what not game-time checked, FP done check, you'll harm the playerbase.

Yes, the first few days of the tools, people will hit 50, sign up for FP HM in level 45 green just because they can, and wipe the group before they get a vote kick. But at one point people should communicate, tell to that person "I'm sorry dude, but we don't think you're geared enough for that challenge and we will kick you out of group, do some dailies first !" and the community will learn by itself, guilds will communicate to their new guildies, etc.

Implementing restrictions is just gonna deny the community to evolve, deny good players to meet each other, etc. LFG tool is a great asset, but if we turn it into a very restrictive tool, it won't do any good.
Kao'celaar Ildorii, Juyo Master, Mystical Awakening

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BroadStreetBully
06.28.2012 , 12:11 PM | #13
Also be aware that there are bugs in the tool that will sometimes queue a player for a role they did not choose. One of my guildies is a DPS sage. He selected only DPS everytime we queue and yet he always gets selected as a healer. Luckily for us we had a sage healer in the guild who was running with healer checked. The game grabbed him as a DPS. So in the end we got what we need, but it incorrect assigned the roles of both of them.

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zeshakha
06.28.2012 , 01:02 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by BroadStreetBully View Post
Also be aware that there are bugs in the tool that will sometimes queue a player for a role they did not choose. One of my guildies is a DPS sage. He selected only DPS everytime we queue and yet he always gets selected as a healer. Luckily for us we had a sage healer in the guild who was running with healer checked. The game grabbed him as a DPS. So in the end we got what we need, but it incorrect assigned the roles of both of them.
Have to agree with this, I'm a healer and have been switched to a dps role, and one of our tanks and dps have had their roles switched with one another. So while some dps may be trying to shorten their ques by marking roles they cannot do it MAY not necessarily be their fault.
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Khevar
06.28.2012 , 01:22 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Nolenthar View Post
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Most FP HM can be tanked by a dps if the healer is good, most FP Hm are easy enough so a hybrid specced healer can heal.

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This would only be true if

a) The dps is really well geared and
b) Can really pump out the damage to maintain aggro.

I pugged a HM FP last night (as a healer) with 3 dpses, one of whom was marked as a tank, who couldn't maintain aggo and everyone kept getting attacked, including me. We managed to pull it off but it was very frustrating. When I'm trying to break LoS and self-heal, nobody else is getting healed, inviting wipes.