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HM EC now obsolete.


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pure_laced
06.28.2012 , 11:35 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Ska-Di View Post
Guys,
HM EC is actually more obsolete than you probably think... Because in fact any BOP mods can be transferred between alt-characters, and according to Dev response it is working as designed

I've created a thread about this on Suggestion forums but no one really cares
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=493017
No one cares because it is BY DESIGN as you mentioned yourself. So why tout your own horn that you created this suggestion that no one cares about when the Devs themselves said this is by design and won't be changed. Makes no sense.

It is cheaper to run EC on your alts, than it is to run on your main, buy gear, pay the 150-200k credits to remove mods, put them into legacy gear, mail to alt, etc etc etc.

EC isn't obsolete. Sure people can buy gear with BH comms, etc. It is still faster to run EC every week to gear up than just doing BH comms only.
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dipstik
06.28.2012 , 11:43 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
You can turn helm off in the interface options.
offtopic, but in 1.3 PTS the mask was under the hood and it was awesome.

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Siorac
06.28.2012 , 12:47 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
Yeah, it's ridicules. Like they're saying "Oh, you actually put time and effort into our game? Well f*** you!"

Giving the best gear in the game to people that aren't doing the hardest content in the game is f***ed up. Especially when those players can still get pretty damn good gear without it.

But oh well, me and a few of my mates have already canceled our accounts, hopefully we can find a game that actually appreciates it's dedicated players.... Though I doubt it. Noobs and casual players seem to be the majority so I'm sure games will just continue to cater to them.
Yeah, those who use the group finder to get the 5 BH comms a day need to put in A LOT MORE TIME to get Black Hole gear and they have no access to Campaign gear.

So what exactly is your problem?

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Craxim
06.28.2012 , 01:02 PM | #64
Someone should check the BH Bulwark to the Campaign War Leader for Juggs. The mods are not at ALL the same...

Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Greaves gives 57 accuracy rating, something you don't need any of as a tank. The Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Boots also give accuracy. Sure, you could switch these Enhancements out with Enhancements from the other 3, but it makes it hard to mod exactly how you need to, because this would force a certain amount of defense or absorb on you.

None of the Campaign gear gives accuracy.

Also, the only non-high strength Mod is on the Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Headgear, which would force you to take defense rating to offset the unnecessary drops in Endurance. Since the new PvP relics for tanks give either shield or defense, it makes it harder to get to the proper absorb rating.

The point is, that as always, you MUST run HM EC to get the best gear. The only difference is that instead of the best gear being augmented gear, as it was in 1.2, the best gear now involves getting the best mods.
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Obtena
06.28.2012 , 01:08 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
But it's not just "for me". Every single player in the game can get fully decked without stepping foot in the joint.
So what? That's not going to help them when future releases and harder content is released. Hell, it's not even going to help them run a Hard Flashpoint if they don't know the fights, etc... Knowledge and skill DOES actually play a part in the game you know.
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Shiftyas
06.28.2012 , 01:13 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Craxim View Post
Someone should check the BH Bulwark to the Campaign War Leader for Juggs. The mods are not at ALL the same...

Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Greaves gives 57 accuracy rating, something you don't need any of as a tank. The Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Boots also give accuracy. Sure, you could switch these Enhancements out with Enhancements from the other 3, but it makes it hard to mod exactly how you need to, because this would force a certain amount of defense or absorb on you.

None of the Campaign gear gives accuracy.

Also, the only non-high strength Mod is on the Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Headgear, which would force you to take defense rating to offset the unnecessary drops in Endurance. Since the new PvP relics for tanks give either shield or defense, it makes it harder to get to the proper absorb rating.

The point is, that as always, you MUST run HM EC to get the best gear. The only difference is that instead of the best gear being augmented gear, as it was in 1.2, the best gear now involves getting the best mods.

I have no idea what your point is. It seems like you're linking gear with **** mods and saying 'Bahaha look at the **** mods!!!"

What mods do you want that can't be found in black hole gear?

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Shiftyas
06.28.2012 , 01:15 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Obtena View Post
So what? That's not going to help them when future releases and harder content is released. Hell, it's not even going to help them run a Hard Flashpoint if they don't know the fights, etc... Knowledge and skill DOES actually play a part in the game you know.
I've never denied the fact that some skill is involved. I'm just staying it's stupid to give the people without skill the same gear as the people with skill.

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AichaHalcyon
06.28.2012 , 03:23 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
I've never denied the fact that some skill is involved. I'm just staying it's stupid to give the people without skill the same gear as the people with skill.
I'm just curious how it would impact you in any way, shape, or form then. So they have the same gear, who cares? It doesn't mean they are as good as you or are clearing the same content as you. Literally, unless the only reason you play the game is to make sure you have better gear than everyone else, it shouldn't matter. It's not like they are using it for an advantage against you in PVP. Then I could see a problem with that.

It is kind of amusing that this thread starting out with the idea that nobody would have to run HM EC to gear up for the next tier of content, when in reality you just want to make sure you and yours are better geared than the "less skilled" players.
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Craxim
06.28.2012 , 03:25 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
I have no idea what your point is. It seems like you're linking gear with **** mods and saying 'Bahaha look at the **** mods!!!"

What mods do you want that can't be found in black hole gear?
Did you read what I posted? It seems like I'm linking gear with bad mods because I'm linking the Black Hole gear you said was BiS and made HM EC pointless. You yourself just said it had bad mods. You just proved my point.

Guess I'll have to be more specific for those lesser minded of us here.

Campaign War Leader's Greaves, the mod and enhancement from these is the same as the one from Campaign War Leader's Headgear, and cannot be found in any Black Hole Bulwark. The enhancement from Campaign War Leader's Boots can only be found in this piece and not in any Black Hole.

Not to mention Black Hole Bulwark's MK-1 Armguards are high in strength unlike Campaign War Leader's Armguards which are better because they are high in Endurance.

Lastly, as others have mentioned, Campaign War Leader's Lightsaber is HM EC only and so is Campaign War Leader's Shield.

I don't see how you don't have any idea what my point is, seeing as I just said my point. Let me reiterate a little more clearly for you.

You are wrong. Black Hole is not BiS. HM EC is not obsolete. You need to run it to be BiS.
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pure_laced
06.28.2012 , 03:27 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
I've never denied the fact that some skill is involved. I'm just staying it's stupid to give the people without skill the same gear as the people with skill.
Why does it matter though? Let us say for argument's sake you are the 100th best skilled player in the world (if such a thing could even be measured). Why are you upset that some Joe Blow off the Nar Shadda block has roughly the same gear as you because he bought all blackhole gear and replaced his mods. You are still the 100th best skilled player in the world.

The best gear isn't released yet. It is coming whenever they get around to developing it. Guess where it will be found? Nightmare Mode. They are claiming NiM will be all new gear, mods, etc and it will be in guild's best interests to down bosses. This is where the skill part kicks in.

Stop whining.
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