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HM EC now obsolete.


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dipstik
06.27.2012 , 01:53 PM | #51
i have 3/5 campaign and i still need the head or chest to look the way i want (which is now impossible because my mask overwrites my hood... sadface)

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Chaqen
06.27.2012 , 02:34 PM | #52
The way i see it is, if the next set of gear is going to come from NiM EC, you probably not going to get it unless you have HM EC on farm by the time it comes out.

Yes casuals will be able to get quite a bit of gear and be close to being BiS before NiM EC comes out, but if they dont have the experience of raiding in the game... they are not going to go far raiding ever. The ease of getting BH comms though benefits my alts, who i would like to be raid ready, but who are not a big priority to my guild (and shouldnt be).

On a final note, if you are raiding for gear, the chance that you're willing to stick around when everything is on farm and where you are waiting for the next content to be released, is rather slim, and therefore makes you worthless to any serious progression guild.

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shatejesla
06.27.2012 , 07:01 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyntari View Post
When you go see a movie, do you complain after it ends that you received no reward for watching it?
OMG thank you! I could quote this into so very many threads on this forum, and it would still work!

The day you need an imaginary sword to make it worth your time to take your imaginary person into an imaginary place to do an imaginary quest... your inner child is dead. Enjoy the content. If you don't enjoy the content, then there's probably a more rewarding way of spending your time.

If you don't like swings, and you don't like slides, and you don't like the merry-go-round, and you don't like teeter totters... maybe the playground isn't the best place to hang out. No use getting mad at the parks department for not putting a firing range in your playground.

Sorry if the metaphor got too complex for you

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mleft
06.27.2012 , 07:50 PM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
Totally couldn't tell by your bias post that you preferred the latter group until you stated it, thanks for clearing that up.
Who cares if they label it 'hardcore' or 'quololpooloo' it's just a label. We understand that by saying 'hardcore' they mean 'sitting in front of the computer non stop like a basement dweller.' Labelling things with consonants and vowels to make sounds is the point of words and which sound we use doesn't matter as long as the majority of people understand what that sound means.
So listen up proplayer, elitist jerk just jerk or w/e you want to call yourself. You are not the center of this f**kin world. Many many others that are not like you want to play their aspect of the game on their own pace and get the same rewards as those that you think are meant for your kind. The thing is that if you deprive that from them they may think as you. That means why should they keep paying for a game that the only ones who have any chance on getting top end gear is your kind? So they will stop and get their money elsewhere and they might do so without ragewhine and threatening on the forums. So some time when you log on an even more deserted server than the ones we had up to now you will understand the meaning of first M in the MMO puzzle but then it would be too late for this game. And ofc YOU may dont care but many of us DO so do what you think you should do and leave us in peace

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Anrew
06.27.2012 , 09:44 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchangelLBC View Post
A recent interview I saw said they were trying to increase difficulty more through coordination checks than gear checks. That they'll be able to get BH gear easily doesn't bother me much.

That they'll have deceptively good gear and then fail massively at story mode operations because they aren't well practiced at coordination checks will bother me quite a bit I imagine.
^ I agree with. Gear does not make the player it only helps them. If you still mess up on mechnics gear won't save you all that much. Not really seeing this as an issue I mean EC mechanics IMO seem like a good challenge and not many people who will just throw BH mods into gear will be able to say they did the content. I think they should give alot more raid rewards though to keep people going back after they get things. Like rare drop speeders or relics or some random non-set piece that trumps BH. Sorry for tangent

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Shiftyas
06.27.2012 , 10:20 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by dipstik View Post
i have 3/5 campaign and i still need the head or chest to look the way i want (which is now impossible because my mask overwrites my hood... sadface)
You can turn helm off in the interface options.

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Shiftyas
06.27.2012 , 10:24 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by mleft View Post
So listen up proplayer, elitist jerk just jerk or w/e you want to call yourself. You are not the center of this f**kin world. Many many others that are not like you want to play their aspect of the game on their own pace and get the same rewards as those that you think are meant for your kind. The thing is that if you deprive that from them they may think as you. That means why should they keep paying for a game that the only ones who have any chance on getting top end gear is your kind? So they will stop and get their money elsewhere and they might do so without ragewhine and threatening on the forums. So some time when you log on an even more deserted server than the ones we had up to now you will understand the meaning of first M in the MMO puzzle but then it would be too late for this game. And ofc YOU may dont care but many of us DO so do what you think you should do and leave us in peace
That's like saying someone that works 20 hours a week should get paid the same amount as someone that works 80 hours a week. You could still get very good gear without clearing HM EC, but if you're not clearing the hardest content in the game, why should you be getting the best gear in the game? That's just stupid.

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Fossman
06.27.2012 , 10:34 PM | #58
They did the same thing in LOTRO when it went F2P. Basically everyone who had spent months raiding through the current endgame got screwed over when the announced they were removing the gear gating mechanic from raids and adding better gear sets that you could get by pugging instances. Essentially making the raid we were running all summer worthless and completely pointless. Its this kind of slap in the face that makes serious raiders jump ship. Gear that you receive from endgame raids should be BIS for PvE. PERIOD. No exceptions to this rule.

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Shiftyas
06.28.2012 , 07:50 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by Fossman View Post
They did the same thing in LOTRO when it went F2P. Basically everyone who had spent months raiding through the current endgame got screwed over when the announced they were removing the gear gating mechanic from raids and adding better gear sets that you could get by pugging instances. Essentially making the raid we were running all summer worthless and completely pointless. Its this kind of slap in the face that makes serious raiders jump ship. Gear that you receive from endgame raids should be BIS for PvE. PERIOD. No exceptions to this rule.
Yeah, it's ridicules. Like they're saying "Oh, you actually put time and effort into our game? Well f*** you!"

Giving the best gear in the game to people that aren't doing the hardest content in the game is f***ed up. Especially when those players can still get pretty damn good gear without it.

But oh well, me and a few of my mates have already canceled our accounts, hopefully we can find a game that actually appreciates it's dedicated players.... Though I doubt it. Noobs and casual players seem to be the majority so I'm sure games will just continue to cater to them.

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Ska-Di
06.28.2012 , 11:10 AM | #60
Guys,
HM EC is actually more obsolete than you probably think... Because in fact any BOP mods can be transferred between alt-characters, and according to Dev response it is working as designed

I've created a thread about this on Suggestion forums but no one really cares
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=493017