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Legacy Perks Swindling


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islander
06.27.2012 , 06:53 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRik View Post
first name an mmo that doesnt have endgame like this?

second, patch 1.2 came out after the lose of 400k, and had no real impact on subs falling.

and how is it biased against most of the player base? isnt the player base made up of mostly PVE'ers and PVP'ers?
1) Just because other MMOs have something similar, doesn't make it fun. Remember, we're here, not in other MMOs.

2) Trust me, this game's lost another 400k at least since 1.2. You need only to look at Scorpienne's work to see this for yourself.

3) Talking about "most of the player base" isn't exactly the correct parameter to use. You need to change this to "most of the level 50 player base". using that parameter, absolutely not. I had an entire guild of 500 back before Bioware gradually nuked their game and we never fully completed a single 8 man hard mode. Why? We didn't care. We were, and still are, a pvp and alting centric guild.

I do Ilum dailies out of fiscal necessity not because I enjoy them. I hate the fact I have to waste 30 minutes of my online time that I could be doing things at 50 I'd rather be doing.
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DarthRik
06.27.2012 , 06:57 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by islander View Post
1) Just because other MMOs have something similar, doesn't make it fun. Remember, we're here, not in other MMOs.

2) Trust me, this game's lost another 400k at least since 1.2. You need only to look at Scorpienne's work to see this for yourself.

3) Talking about "most of the player base" isn't exactly the correct parameter to use. You need to change this to "most of the level 50 player base". using that parameter, absolutely not. I had an entire guild of 500 back before Bioware gradually nuked their game and we never fully completed a single 8 man hard mode. Why? We didn't care. We were, and still are, a pvp and alting centric guild.
ok

1 - you might want to tell 99% of the forums users this, as 100% of what they QQ about, isnt in the game but expect it to be, such as LFG, duel spec, (name a wow feature here) ect ect.

2 - so you know Bioware and EA stockholder numbers before they do? who please link your sourse to this breaking news that swtor has lost another 400k subs since patch 1.2

3 - so you a pvp guild playing a PVE game, and how did Bioware nuke there game.
for me poeple left becuase theu build a game in there head that Bioware wasnt going to release, so when they did start to play it, there nerd raged and quit.
We need RVR in this game, lets make world burn with pvp

CE

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Callianna
06.27.2012 , 07:02 AM | #103
I purchased the crafting crit for my companions on my main, along with the repair bot. I have no intention of sinking over 1 million credits into each of my low level alts to purchase the other perks even tho I can afford to. Some of the prices are just too high, some aren't that bad, but overall not worth it imo. Should be legacy wide since all the xp perks are worthless when you hit 50, same for the speeder ones. Not the best design but shrug guess they have to experiment with legacy to see what works and what doesn't.

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islander
06.27.2012 , 07:02 AM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRik View Post
ok

1 - you might want to tell 99% of the forums users this, as 100% of what they QQ about, isnt in the game but expect it to be, such as LFG, duel spec, (name a wow feature here) ect ect.

2 - so you know Bioware and EA stockholder numbers before they do? who please link your sourse to this breaking news that swtor has lost another 400k subs since patch 1.2

3 - so you a pvp guild playing a PVE game, and how did Bioware nuke there game.
for me poeple left becuase theu build a game in there head that Bioware wasnt going to release, so when they did start to play it, there nerd raged and quit.
I use a simple and generally accepted formula of 10% concurrent users on at prime time on any given night, averaged out over time.
So, if a game has 70,000 people playing it (average) that amounts to roughly 700k people actively subscribed.

Talking about this specifically is of limited value, as it takes my primary point off track.
I want the ability to PvP in warzones and make similar money then soloing dailies. As I already noted, I feel this should apply to raiding and HM flashpoints, too. You seem to have missed that part. Space missions too (Although I don't do these, I'm sure some love them).

People at 50 should be able to choose what activity they do and not be fiscally screwed. That's just not the case now.
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Drudenfusz
06.27.2012 , 07:04 AM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Lakhesis View Post
In the May 25th Weekly Q&A Bioware says prices would be higher if it was legacy wide.

We can't be certain how much higher, but one would assume it'd be in the range of 4 to 6 times higher...the maximum reasonable would be 8 times more expensive, I'd have difficulty seeing it being only 2-3 times more expensive.

The pricing & logic make sense to me. I think they underestimated the number of non-readers in their playerbase though.

A big, must-click-to-dismiss sign saying something like "hey blind guy, these are character specific" when you first open the page probably would've been a good idea, but some people'll blindly click through just about anything (would you like a game of global thermonuclear war?)... there's a reason they make you type DELETE on the character deletion...
Sure, they said that, it's still crap! Why do it have to be that espensive, some other MMOs give XP bonus on alts for free. So, why do not take the cost it has currently and make so that one gets the benifits for all charakters?
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DarthRik
06.27.2012 , 07:04 AM | #106
poor you islander..

you have pvp dailys???
We need RVR in this game, lets make world burn with pvp

CE

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DarthRik
06.27.2012 , 07:06 AM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Drudenfusz View Post
Sure, they said that, it's still crap! Why do it have to be that espensive, some other MMOs give XP bonus on alts for free. So, why do not take the cost it has currently and make so that one gets the benifits for all charakters?
this isnt other MMO's
We need RVR in this game, lets make world burn with pvp

CE

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islander
06.27.2012 , 07:07 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRik View Post
poor you islander..

you have pvp dailys???
Just one, yep. March Them Down. Takes 3 to 6 warzones, or 45-90 minutes to complete.

In that time, solo dailies make you about 150k. So...if they want to improve the March Them Down reward to include, let's say 100k credits - we can call it good.
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Daeada
06.27.2012 , 07:09 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Callianna View Post
I purchased the crafting crit for my companions on my main, along with the repair bot. I have no intention of sinking over 1 million credits into each of my low level alts to purchase the other perks even tho I can afford to. Some of the prices are just too high, some aren't that bad, but overall not worth it imo. Should be legacy wide since all the xp perks are worthless when you hit 50, same for the speeder ones. Not the best design but shrug guess they have to experiment with legacy to see what works and what doesn't.
How many times does this need to be explained? If they were legacy wide, their prices would be inflated to reflect that. You would likely pay almost the same amount either way. The way it is now let's you spend in small chunks rather than blowing "large" sums of cash at once. This also saves you money, since, as you said, exp perks are (currently) worthless for 50s.
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Drudenfusz
06.27.2012 , 07:10 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthRik View Post
this isnt other MMO's
Still doesn't explain why the stuff has to be so expensive?
My Old Republic Warring is Magic
Lana Everhope - The Drudenfusz Legacy, Shadow Tank on The Red Eclipse
When you play the game of PvP, you win or you die.
English version <- SWTOR Wiki -> German version