Legacy Perks Swindling

Legacy perks are cheap compared to the previous unlocks, having them per character is a good thing as they are things that not all characters will need. Level 50's for example don't need xp boosts and probably don't need the companion boosts. If they were legacy wide the price would need to be much higher.

They are aimed mainly at making levelling alts easier and the costs are low compared to what you can earn on a level 50 character.

I spent 180k on legacy unlocks last night between two lowbie alts. Until last night, I didn't buy a single legacy 'perk'.

Everyone, I mean EVERYONE leveling an alt, should buy the speeder unlocks. It's all but free. Net cost of 5k for speeder at level 10. Net cost of 25k for level 40 speeder at 30. Don't know about the rank 3 but I'm guessing it's similar.

The companion reward ranks for affection are reasonable as well. I bought two ranks of them for each of the two (story choices, and gifts). Only 40k to get a 20% affection bonus on all comps.

I don't know what the costs were on PTS, but on the whole the costs don't seem to be horrible. Field respec should be cheaper though. It's not that 200k is terrible, it's just they advertised it as a feature and well...feature implies it's not going to cost you credits to unlock.

SO DON'T USE THEM. What part of that is not understood?

I have 7 alts and I love them. Simply because you have decided that you do not like them does not make them any less valuable to the rest of us. ....And how about if you stop spreading misinformation. BW never implied that legacy was an all or nothing at all set-up. Your lack of understanding of what legacy means is not their fault, your playing a different game then the rest of us is not their fault. Legacy is legacy whether applied across the board or to individual members of that legacy it is all still an aspect of the legacy.

Common sense, logical extrapolation....things that seem to be lacking on this board. ;p

Forty five thousand for one vehicle perk. Extrapolate that out to seven as a standard for legacy perks granted as all or nothing. Cost is now 315k for something that one may only need for one character. Extrapolate, or condense down further to what some of these "experts in game design" are arguing. Include the perk as a character wide, all or nothing, all speeder riding skill perk and you have to include the price of the next two speeders, which, without doing the math, puts the cost of this perk into the millions range.

Now, employ more common sense here and ask one's self if you are leveling one character, which is more cost effective, paying a couple of million for that first level 10 speeder buff, or paying what amounts to 5k?

Now see, I'll debate with you here. I do enjoy the game for nothing else but the intellectual property.

The legacy system, on the whole, is economic garbage. Overpriced items that don't just force credit grinding (by itself, not horrible) but you are forced to do it only one or two ways (crafting, another money sink itself...or running pve dailies).

Conceptually, it's not a 'reward' for your legacy if you have to spend a week grinding out dailies to buy it. You certainly can't call it a 'feature' if the majority of players don't like them (or more specifically, the costs involved).

My real issue with it though, is the inability to get proper money from warzones at level 50. This could apply to flashpoints and raiding as well as level 50 space missions.
What Bioware actually needs to do, if they want to keep this cost scheme up, is greatly improve the payouts at level 50 for these other activites that people actually LIKE to do.

Bring them in line with doing PvE dailies. Right now, in 30 minutes I can earn about 80k on Ilum or 50-60k on Belsavis. Let's use 50k per 30 minutes as the gold standard, and actually FIX the cost payouts for everything else.

I should copy/paste this into the suggestion forum, actually.

Not everyone will have 8 chars, so who says it will be millions, you assume that.

I think that the new companion is ready, but they are not implemention it, so they can keep "the carrot on a stick". So now people again have something they know/are certain off, will come. So now they can soon announce what will come in 1.4. And we again wont get everything they announce. They just keep doing false advertisements.

This is not a point of intellectual debate.
This is a fallacy of mind projection (I believe, therefore it is). YOU do not like them, but you would first have to prove that the "majority" of players do not in order to support such an outlandish statement. A few disgruntled players posting negative comments based on a great misinterpretation of the system does not a majority make.

That is the entirety of the point. If you do not have 8 characters, why pay for 8 characters. The way in which it is implemented absolutely supports people like you so that you do not have to pay the 8 character price if you only have one or two alts. I thought I made that very clear.

There is no assumption here, merely extrapolation, or a combining of the cost for each perk wrapped into one package. I also thought that was clear.

The game economy is out of whack now. Too many money sinks, not enough money intakes. And don't keep saying we have the dailies. Every patch introduces new money sinks with the only thing being dailies to make money. After you run them 20,178 times it is quite frankly enough.

The OPs and Flashpoints don't drop enough credits (if your a tank like me, they don't come even close), and PvP credits are now a joke - so all we have is, once again, the dailies.

I'm just getting really fed up with the end game repeatable grind they are introducing for the sole purpose of extending time and hopefully holding subs. It's not like 1.3 is anything stellar. Sorry for the tangent, just getting fed up with the slim end game and the "run dailies until your eyes bleed".

In the May 25th Weekly Q&A Bioware says prices would be higher if it was legacy wide.

We can't be certain how much higher, but one would assume it'd be in the range of 4 to 6 times higher...the maximum reasonable would be 8 times more expensive, I'd have difficulty seeing it being only 2-3 times more expensive.

The pricing & logic make sense to me. I think they underestimated the number of non-readers in their playerbase though.

A big, must-click-to-dismiss sign saying something like "hey blind guy, these are character specific" when you first open the page probably would've been a good idea, but some people'll blindly click through just about anything (would you like a game of global thermonuclear war?)... there's a reason they make you type DELETE on the character deletion...