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Derriden
06.26.2012 , 06:44 PM | #1
Just a suggestion, putting in here since the problem is usually going to be seen in instances.

Can we please have some eligibility logic put into the loot system? To stop the following happening...

Last night I did a random HM. Me and another Inquisitor, a Warrior and an Agent. On the final boss an item dropped that was Inquisitor only (and the republic equivalent) - a bracers token I think it was. The warrior Needed and won it. I Greeded since it wasn't an upgrade but the other SI needed it. Now the warrior has a useless token that I'm not even sure is worth any vendor credits and the other SI is still in low level bracers.

This sort of thing is going to get a lot worse now that the finder tool is live. Same thing happened in WoW when they added the dungeon finder. People think they have a degree of anonymity so don't care about screwing people over.

Just something that auto-passes you if you're not the right class is all it needs. I'm only talking about the stuff that's actually locked to specific classes, not "that's a tank item not a dps item" or "you don't need crit" conflicts (which is another discussion for another day).

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Kaisies
06.26.2012 , 07:45 PM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Derriden View Post
Just a suggestion, putting in here since the problem is usually going to be seen in instances.

Can we please have some eligibility logic put into the loot system? To stop the following happening...

Last night I did a random HM. Me and another Inquisitor, a Warrior and an Agent. On the final boss an item dropped that was Inquisitor only (and the republic equivalent) - a bracers token I think it was. The warrior Needed and won it. I Greeded since it wasn't an upgrade but the other SI needed it. Now the warrior has a useless token that I'm not even sure is worth any vendor credits and the other SI is still in low level bracers.

This sort of thing is going to get a lot worse now that the finder tool is live. Same thing happened in WoW when they added the dungeon finder. People think they have a degree of anonymity so don't care about screwing people over.

Just something that auto-passes you if you're not the right class is all it needs. I'm only talking about the stuff that's actually locked to specific classes, not "that's a tank item not a dps item" or "you don't need crit" conflicts (which is another discussion for another day).
no.... and no.

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Derriden
06.26.2012 , 08:08 PM | #3
So you prefer people taking stuff meant for you that they can't use? Interesting....

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epicfear
06.26.2012 , 08:16 PM | #4
i havent really had this problem (i once got grouped with 3! sith sorcs on group finder and simply passed on all the light armor) i will likely pass it unless, say, it is an upgrade leaps and bounds above something on vette, quinn, or jaesa, in which case i simply greed it, because really, i can always search for an upgrade for companion gear on the gtn.

but if you need on something class locked, unless you are that class, i do not think you should get that item.

simply remove the "need" button on items that are class locked unless you are that class.
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Kaisies
06.26.2012 , 08:16 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Derriden View Post
So you prefer people taking stuff meant for you that they can't use? Interesting....
Need is for main spec, greed is for offspec. He was a douchebag and needed it. We dont need a system to police need/greed. People that need everything always gets whats coming to them.

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Derriden
06.26.2012 , 08:22 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by epicfear View Post
i havent really had this problem (i once got grouped with 3! sith sorcs on group finder and simply passed on all the light armor) i will likely pass it unless, say, it is an upgrade leaps and bounds above something on vette, quinn, or jaesa, in which case i simply greed it, because really, i can always search for an upgrade for companion gear on the gtn.

but if you need on something class locked, unless you are that class, i do not think you should get that item.

simply remove the "need" button on items that are class locked unless you are that class.
This is exactly what I mean. Only the items that are locked to a particular class.

Watch how many ninjas start coming out the woodwork now we've got the finder.

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Shatteredstar
06.26.2012 , 08:30 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaisies View Post
Need is for main spec, greed is for offspec. He was a douchebag and needed it. We dont need a system to police need/greed. People that need everything always gets whats coming to them.
This isn't a hard concept since I don't know why you seem to think it is fine and dandy as is.

WoW instituted a 'cannot roll need on items you can't effectivly use' for a reason, because there ARE people out there (a large number actually) who will roll need even if they have exactly ZERO use for an item, just cause they can.

Light armor should only be available as a Need roll to LIGHT armor wearers.
Same with medium, same with heavy.
Tokens for gear should be only Need for the classes that are listed.
It is simple enough to go "hey STR item, only needable by STR classes" and the like.

All loot still has greed button.

Believing that karma and 'it will come back at them' is fine and dandy, but that doesn't make loot magically appear back to someone who actually could have used it.
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Aikimi
06.26.2012 , 09:48 PM | #8
While I agree in principle that loot should go to those mainspec characters that need it most, I can and do use companions for a great deal of my leveling. Companions can use drops even if they are bound to the main character. And I have a companion for every drop that appears in a flashpoint. What you are suggesting would eliminate the possibility of players being able to buff their companions as they move through main quests. Not everyone plays swtor just to join groups or PvP.

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wainot-keel
06.27.2012 , 07:05 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by epicfear View Post
i havent really had this problem (i once got grouped with 3! sith sorcs on group finder and simply passed on all the light armor) i will likely pass it unless, say, it is an upgrade leaps and bounds above something on vette, quinn, or jaesa, in which case i simply greed it, because really, i can always search for an upgrade for companion gear on the gtn.

but if you need on something class locked, unless you are that class, i do not think you should get that item.

simply remove the "need" button on items that are class locked unless you are that class.
I think it's the "nice" thing to do pass/greed on stuff your character doesn't need. I do that, but I also can see the other side. What if that player is doing that HM/OP with the sole purpuse of gearing up a companion, for example ?
If you see it as "your character" vs. "someone else's companion" yeah, ofc the former is more important.

But that's not the only way to see it. You could just look at it as people's time and effort. Everybody is the same. They all are behind their computers doing whatever is needed to get through the instance. No one can claim they have more right than the next one for whatever stuff is dropped.

A slightly different example. I did a raid a while back. One of my guildies decided to gear up a bit one of his alts. But when the time came, oops.... no, the op leader told him that he couldn't roll on stuff because people's mains had priority. I understand the reasoning behind it, but that sucked regardless. He worked just as hard as everybody else and got shafted because some sort of arbitrary reason.

How loot is handled is a delicate matter and ideally everything should be talked to and agreed on, but can be hard to do in a pug. You don't truly know what are other people's motives.

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DSafana
06.27.2012 , 08:08 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Aikimi View Post
While I agree in principle that loot should go to those mainspec characters that need it most, I can and do use companions for a great deal of my leveling. Companions can use drops even if they are bound to the main character. And I have a companion for every drop that appears in a flashpoint. What you are suggesting would eliminate the possibility of players being able to buff their companions as they move through main quests. Not everyone plays swtor just to join groups or PvP.
Then you should Greed it. This does not eliminate your ability to gear your alts.Why would you NEED a agent item for MAKO when an agent is in the group. You are exactly why NEED should be limited to the class the drop is for.