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HM EC now obsolete.


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Shiftyas
06.26.2012 , 11:16 AM | #1
So, you can now chuck an augment on any piece of gear and black hole comms are easier to get. So you could now just get a full Tionese set for the set bonus, augment it all, get mods from blackhole gear and have full augmented gear with set bonus and full 61 mods without ever setting foot in HM EC? Well done BioWare.... I mean I guess there is still the hilt... YAY! intensive!

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Crixaliss
06.26.2012 , 11:37 AM | #2
This has been gone over time and time again - infact theres a rather long thread in here about this.

Essentially yes, you can mostly get the top tier gear now without entering HM EC. You do of course miss out on the main-hand weapon, so you're not completely BIS, and other un-moddable things may not be BiS either (for example campaign PT tank offhand is way better than the BH version). I think BiS bracers/belt are also the moddable ones, but you'd need to put in a L61 non-slot-bound-armoring dropped in HM EC. You also miss out on the chance to create whatever look you like (through transfering set bonuses from campaign to other gear).

A bigger thing though, is that without doing EC HM you don't get any experience of the hardest raid in the game - so good luck progressing on to the next tier of gear when it comes out without that experience

So yes, you can get near to top-end PvE gear without doing EC HM, but you won't get quite to BiS everywhere. Also, you'll be slower to gear than those doing EC HM, as you won't get the BH comm drops from it ^^

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TrooperSev
06.26.2012 , 11:38 AM | #3
Yay, you're forgetting the point of gear in the first place.

People will still run HM EC because it is the top tier for pve content atm. If people don't want to do it, there is no point in them gearing up and obtaining all this bh gear.

Also, if hardcore raiders do everything they can every week to get as many bh coms, it would still take over a month to get a full set. And that includes running HM EC.
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Shiftyas
06.26.2012 , 11:48 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by TrooperSev View Post
Yay, you're forgetting the point of gear in the first place.

People will still run HM EC because it is the top tier for pve content atm. If people don't want to do it, there is no point in them gearing up and obtaining all this bh gear.

Also, if hardcore raiders do everything they can every week to get as many bh coms, it would still take over a month to get a full set. And that includes running HM EC.
The point of gear is so you have the stats to do the next content released. But if getting the gear to do that content doesn't include doing the current hardest content... Well then... That's just f***ing stupid.

Being a hardcore raider I had full 61 mods in everything, I was just still running HM EC to win a couple more rolls so I can have full augmented gear... Now I have it and have no need to running anything. I am now have 100% best gear I could possibly get a couple weeks short of when I should have had it. On top of that other people will be able to get there without having to put the effort in.

Same thing MMOs have been doing forever, just making gear easier to get long before it should be.

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rymah
06.26.2012 , 12:22 PM | #5
You should amend your post title to include "for me", otherwise you're only speaking for people like yourself who have already obtained full campaign gear sets. Which given the amount of guilds across all of the servers who have beaten HM Denova, is a minority of the populace.

Also, not sure if this has occurred to you, but just because they are making it easier to obtain black hole gear, it doesn't mean that everyone's going to be clearing HM Denova overnight, still too much coordination and aptitude required for players to be able to coast through it.
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Kyntari
06.26.2012 , 12:38 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
So, you can now chuck an augment on any piece of gear and black hole comms are easier to get. So you could now just get a full Tionese set for the set bonus, augment it all, get mods from blackhole gear and have full augmented gear with set bonus and full 61 mods without ever setting foot in HM EC? Well done BioWare.... I mean I guess there is still the hilt... YAY! intensive!
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Shiftyas
06.26.2012 , 12:40 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by rymah View Post
You should amend your post title to include "for me", otherwise you're only speaking for people like yourself who have already obtained full campaign gear sets. Which given the amount of guilds across all of the servers who have beaten HM Denova, is a minority of the populace.

Also, not sure if this has occurred to you, but just because they are making it easier to obtain black hole gear, it doesn't mean that everyone's going to be clearing HM Denova overnight, still too much coordination and aptitude required for players to be able to coast through it.
But it's not just "for me". Every single player in the game can get fully decked without stepping foot in the joint.

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Shiftyas
06.26.2012 , 12:41 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyntari View Post
When you go see a movie, do you complain after it ends that you received no reward for watching it?
Nope.

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ArchangelLBC
06.26.2012 , 01:24 PM | #9
A recent interview I saw said they were trying to increase difficulty more through coordination checks than gear checks. That they'll be able to get BH gear easily doesn't bother me much.

That they'll have deceptively good gear and then fail massively at story mode operations because they aren't well practiced at coordination checks will bother me quite a bit I imagine.
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rymah
06.26.2012 , 02:35 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Shiftyas View Post
But it's not just "for me". Every single player in the game can get fully decked without stepping foot in the joint.
Mainhand/Offhand too? And what about the set bonuses that come with the campaign armor only? Statistically the Black Hole gear is identical to Campaign, but you still aren't getting exactly the same gear.
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