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10 Black Hole Commendations Per Day Is A Little Much, No?

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10 Black Hole Commendations Per Day Is A Little Much, No?

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Iwipe
06.25.2012 , 03:00 AM | #81
Hey Daeada, the calculations you made are dead on!

I did some calculations myself as well and there are the numbers I got: 131 comms/week for someone in top raid guild (i.e. cleared everything), 99 comms/week for doing everything except HM EC and Nightmare Pilgrim, and 59 comms/week for doing everything possible within the group finder.

The entire black hole set costs 495 Black Hole comms, this would take 1 month for top raider, 5 weeks for middle raider, and 2 months for Puggers to be decked out in full Black Hole.

However, not all pieces of the Black Hole are better than Rakata. Mostly the belt, bracers, implants, and earpiece are not that much better. If you skip these, the timeline then gets shortened to 2.5 weeks, 3.3 weeks, and 5.5 weeks respectively.

Here is my detailed calculation: http://dulfy.net/2012/06/25/black-ho...earing-in-1-3/

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RangerRobEU
06.25.2012 , 03:00 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by GlassToTheArson View Post
So what about players like myself, who have a life and a family? I don't have time to do operations. Should I be left in the dust because I can't devote exorbitant amounts of time to the game?
Some Operations take less time than some HM Flashpoints, having a life and family doesn't exclude you from end-game content in TOR because the Operations are actually really small. EV takes around 30m whilst KP takes between 45m and 1h - there are FPs which take longer.

I have a life and a family and usually get less than 2h uninterrupted gaming per night at best and I've still been able to complete most Operations so I've never understood this argument. You talk like 90% of raiders are single, unemployed or college students but almost every raider I know works full time with a young family these days. Sure they were college students 6-8 years ago whey they played WoW but not anymore.

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thomasmeadows
06.25.2012 , 03:13 AM | #83
Reality is most people will get at most people will not get all the black hole comms and Giving out 5 per hardmode flashpoints will actually give people an incentive to do harmode flashpoints which btw there is none and even post server transfers people are having a rough time forming flashpoint groups.
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amnie
06.25.2012 , 03:16 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatami View Post
I was wondering when this topic would come up. The equivalent to "Sprint at level 1 will ruin the game!" that was posted a few days before 1.2.

You can not make everyone happy. Bioware please don't listen to the topic creator he doesn't speak for anyone but himself. If he wants to play a game that takes years to get all your gear, he can go play Final Fantasy XI or something. I think you guys are on the right track by allowing black hole gear to be more accessible.
Some people can't raid due to time constraints, don't have a raiding guild, and that shouldn't impede their gear progression. kudos Bioware.
yupp, and as someone who loved FFXI and saw FFXIV basically being the same game - and failing hard because of that, I can say that bioware is doing what needs to be done.

the 'omg I'm the bestest and want everyone to know it!' raider may not like it, but this is the way it's going to be. the majority wants at least 'some' reward even if they don't belong to a hardcore raiding guild.

on top of that... honestly... with all the calculation...
do you honestly think people WOULD do it that way?

show me any person that does at least one hardmode flashpoint every day and an ops every week (and all the other pve stuff that will give BH coms with 1.3) that is not either already in a raiding guild or at least server-well-known to be invited to raids ...

I don't mind when someone who doesn't do raiding a whole lot still runs around with 1-2 black hole pieces. at least that way they will be somewhat geared up when my guild is running short on a spot and has to resort to picking up a random person

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tegororn
06.25.2012 , 03:18 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Plicitous View Post

For crying out loud, make BH commendations a weekly reward or everyone is going to be rolling around in 146 gear with nothing left to do in no time flat.

Do they not understand what motivates MMO players? The power of long term goals?
Hey sir, i'm not one of those who are motivated by gear progression. There are lots of other reasons why someone dedicates his time to mmorpgs.

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Daeada
06.25.2012 , 03:49 AM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Iwipe View Post
Hey Daeada, the calculations you made are dead on!

I did some calculations myself as well and there are the numbers I got: 131 comms/week for someone in top raid guild (i.e. cleared everything), 99 comms/week for doing everything except HM EC and Nightmare Pilgrim, and 59 comms/week for doing everything possible within the group finder.

The entire black hole set costs 495 Black Hole comms, this would take 1 month for top raider, 5 weeks for middle raider, and 2 months for Puggers to be decked out in full Black Hole.

However, not all pieces of the Black Hole are better than Rakata. Mostly the belt, bracers, implants, and earpiece are not that much better. If you skip these, the timeline then gets shortened to 2.5 weeks, 3.3 weeks, and 5.5 weeks respectively.

Here is my detailed calculation: http://dulfy.net/2012/06/25/black-ho...earing-in-1-3/
Thanks for the validation on my numbers! I rounded down a bit on my numbers cause of the difficulty of HM LI, and the fact that for most people it's extremely difficult to pass the first boss.

One other thing, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, you may want to mention in your article is the ability to reverse engineer the implants, ears, extra mods, etc for recipes and upgraded versions. For instance, the MK. 3 (I think) version of the BH Bulwark Implant is a direct upgrade of the Rakata War Leader's Implant, so there may be more potential cost for people who choose to do that and get unlucky with REing.
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Iwipe
06.25.2012 , 04:23 AM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Daeada View Post
Thanks for the validation on my numbers! I rounded down a bit on my numbers cause of the difficulty of HM LI, and the fact that for most people it's extremely difficult to pass the first boss.

One other thing, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, you may want to mention in your article is the ability to reverse engineer the implants, ears, extra mods, etc for recipes and upgraded versions. For instance, the MK. 3 (I think) version of the BH Bulwark Implant is a direct upgrade of the Rakata War Leader's Implant, so there may be more potential cost for people who choose to do that and get unlucky with REing.
Hmm there shouldn't be a reason to RE them in 1.3 anymore with the augment kits. Unless you are saying that MK-1 will turn into MK-2 when you learn it?

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MbaxterBeau
06.25.2012 , 04:33 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Plicitous View Post
You're being pedantic and missing the point. HM Flashpoints should not reward top tier gear so easily. If you want the top gear you should have to do Operations or be prepared to spend a seriously long time grinding weeklies. It encourages people to experience the difficult endgame content instead of giving them an easy way out. More importantly, it forces them to cooperate with others to achieve those goals. HM FP's can be pugged easily. HM Denova requires a lot of teamwork and communication.

Unlike you, I prefer to delay gratification. Ultimately, it means more.
Yes but unfortunately you aren't a dev and don't make the rules

Some people don't like raiding because many people don't know how to behave and work as a team. Why should only the players willing to deal with ridiculous behavior get the best gear...
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Maltuvion
06.25.2012 , 04:47 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by GlassToTheArson View Post
So what about players like myself, who have a life and a family? I don't have time to do operations. Should I be left in the dust because I can't devote exorbitant amounts of time to the game?
Storymode Operations can be cleared in 40-45 minutes. My guild does that regularly and have been doing that since our 4th raid in the place. EC HM takes between 2½-4 hours, depending on whether or not people are drunk/how much fun bantering we're doing which naturally takes a bit of focus away from the game.

Operations are alread far too easy as it is. Anyone arguing otherwise have serious deficiencies gamewise or simply cannot be bothered to try just a little bit.

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Daeada
06.25.2012 , 05:01 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Iwipe View Post
Hmm there shouldn't be a reason to RE them in 1.3 anymore with the augment kits. Unless you are saying that MK-1 will turn into MK-2 when you learn it?
Yeah, that was what I meant, sorry it wasn't clearer. Some people may prefer the stats on a Mk. 2 or 3 over the Mk. 1.

If it's not possible to learn the higher Mk recipes from REing the lower Mks, then ignore me, I just always kind of assumed it would be.


Edit: After checking, it seems I assumed incorrectly. Ignore me!
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