When is bioware going to fix tank assassins in dps gear?

its not possible to get the 5k crits w/ any tank gear at all really.

I'm talking about conquerors in full augmented war hero here, not some battlemaster using scrub. I can drop BM geared ones too but that's beside the point. Equal gear/skill they are too powerful and long overdue for a nerf. The nerf they're getting on tuesday isn't enough imo.

They should be acting like tanks not dps, thats my beef with them. If they're darkness specced they should be forced to wear tank sin gear.

Do a plain 5k crit with a dps geared shadow/sin tank on a decently geared opponent, screen it, and come say that again.

You sound mad that someone decided to go dps in a tank tree, ever hear of making your own build and have fun playing what you like?

Get real and remember this is a mmo, not Sickboys way.

Not in my opinion, no.

BW didn't nerf Assassins/Shadows enough and in the right ways to discourage the practice of wearing DPS gear in a tank spec. And as it's been mentioned multiple times in multiple threads, this AC has more utitilty than any other AC in the game. They have stealth, can heal, have extremely good damage mitigation in their tank spec (at least in PvP), and do very good DPS. They have it all. It's ok to be the jack of all trades in PvP, as long as you're the master of none. In this case, and with 1.3, Tanksins still do too much DPS for a self-healing tank spec with so many tools at their disposal. Way too much. Anyone who's been on the PTS knows this. Everyone is going to see this over the next week or so when 1.3 goes live as Tanksins will still exhibit some of the same balance issues they did pre-1.3.

Juggs/Guardians have a similar issue where they are wearing DPS gear in tank specs and doing too much damage for the damage mitigation they get, although it's not as exacerbated as Sins/Shadows because they don't have all the tools that Sins/Shadows do. But dropping 5k Smashes in a tank spec isn't something that should be happening.

What BW should have done is absolutely nuked DPS in a tank spec. Say, 50% DPS reduction when using a tank form/stance that's essential to the tank tree (e.g. Soresu). DPS and tanking should be mutually exclusive. This would completely eliminate the benefit of wearing DPS gear while tank spec'd. When they actually start wearing tank gear instead (and performing an objective denial role as tanks are intended to in PvP), this would have also given BW a better indication of how their respective tank specs are actually performing relative to each other in PvP. Then BW could address the lackluster DPS trees for Assassins/Shadows so that if they wanted to go DPS, it would be viable to do so.

As it stands, we have some half-assed nerfs that aren't going to ultimately do what they're intended to, which is to guide gearing to be more in line with the spec so that you don't have these hybrid issues that are so difficult to deal with and cause so many balance issues in PvP. Mark my words, Juggs/Guardians and Assassins/Shadows will be on the chopping block again, and sooner than later since the introduction of Rated WZs will quickly highlight some of these problems that the nerfs are failing to address.

No-one needs to prove it, here is someone on youtube doing it daily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLC147EOzJw

Any more questions?

Nope. Not a single 5k+ crit in there while he was TANK specced. Hope you realised how he constantly mixed up sequences where he actually was tank specced with ones where he clearly went infiltration, check out the attack animations. That being said, it's entirely possible to do a 5k hit as dps specced tank once or twice in your entire life. However, we clearly asked for a situation where you can prove you did that against a decently geared opponent. Critting for 5k+ with tankspec on someone with 1200+ resilience and 25-30% armor is not something that you can easily reproduce, if it's possible at all.

This thread is so completely moot one day before a rather harsh nerf of the shadowsin, it's ridiculous. At least wait and see how it'll work out before you continue crying. It's clear all this bullsh*t is coming from someone playing "the other" shadowsin spec - probably less successful than he wished when he switched - and now wants to see it shine by destroying the alternatives. And for gods sake stop the metric crap about how experienced you are. You cannot ever justify it with whatever rank numbers you post, 85 for example is about as low as it can get, and there are enough idiots with rank 97+ running around in my WZs anyway. Your opinion is just another one, of another random guy raging on the forums and it will never be more, no matter how much a fuss you make about yourself.