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SWTOR and the EA stock plummet

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SWTOR and the EA stock plummet

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jarjarloves
06.22.2012 , 12:41 PM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by Mitheril View Post
It will most likely kill Bioware, I expect DA3 to be the last Bioware game before EA decide to shut it down.
yeah except DA2 sold well.

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xenotpt
06.22.2012 , 12:42 PM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashlian View Post
And those people would have left any new game once they reached endgame and got bored. They're the same people who sat here in the forums or in general chat talking about how great D3 and G2 were going to be, then got bored with D3 after one runthrough, made it through a couple of beta weekends of G2 and started whining, and are now talking about.....Elder Scrolls Online. Since it's always best to overinflate your expectations for a game you can't yet play, then you can talk out your butt all you want about all the cool features it will have that NO OTHER GAME WILL EVER MATCH. Just like they did with SWTOR, then were disappointed that it wasn't the best MMO ever in the history of the world. They are never happy with any game for long, because no game can ever match the expectations they have in their head for said game.

I have some friends who follow this pattern, and I just play with them when they're enjoying the high of a new game, and say sayonara when they get bored. They're almost always back for new content patches, despite how "boring" said game is. Because they go through games like disposable tissues, and therefore are always looking for something else to blow their figurative noses on, or wipe their figurative....well, you get the picture.

Everyting they're saying with regards to BW was said at one time or another re Sony and EQ1 and EQ2, well before P2P ever came on the scene. Considering how long Warcraft has been kept on life support without P2P, and the dislike LA has for the concept, I think a full P2P scenario is a lot further in the future than the doomsayers would prefer. They so like to make those in six months, six weeks, heck, six days predictions.
Great post describing disposable gamers. I personally see this pattern happening with every game from now on - Short attention spans and a lack of commitment to anything will hurt MMO's in general. It's also the law of diminishing returns - The first MMO was great, and the second is good, but not as great as the first. Then each subsequent MMO you play is less satisfying, because you get tired of the same thing over and over. Thank goodness this is my first MMO!

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Mitheril
06.22.2012 , 01:09 PM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by jarjarloves View Post
yeah except DA2 sold well.
It really didn't. Especially when you add into account EA's wish for every game to sell a lot of DLC.
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Zallon
06.22.2012 , 01:20 PM | #174
I am going to look at this as a different view...

1. SWTOR is not EA's only product. Do we forget hey have the market cornered on Sports games for Consoles?
2. EA was overvalued and that could have caused as much of a drop in value at the begining of this year, not to mention the stock market in general tends to sell gains off after the 1st of the year for tax purposes.
3. Competitition - Blizzard/Aciviision is listed today at 11.76 a share which is near the 52 week low as well. EA stock price is 12.33. I even checked THQ however they are in trouble and selling below 1.00
4. Industry changing and companies failing to adapt to the newer technology. PC Gaming as we know it is changing. owning the physical game will be disappearing as it costs too much to repliate the discs and to pay for the marketing space at the storefronts like Best Buy, Walmart and Target, and yes the Publishing companies pay the stores for the shelf space. Tablets are becoming more powerful and as such so is internet connectivity. You wil begin to see console game systems just purchase licensing only requiring an internet connection no more disc. It saves on distribution costs. If you dont think this is coming, you probably also said the RIM was cutting edge technolgy three years ago.

Fact is the gamining industry is down from a year ago, and while EA stock may be lower than it was 52 weeks ago it does not mean SWTOR is the direct cause, it may be a small symptom but lets be honest these companies are in it to make money. SWG was ruined by Sony when they no longer wantedt to develop a cutting edge game, WOW in its first year was rough, however they were able time the market and gobble up marketshare to set the gold standard.

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Kourage
06.22.2012 , 01:20 PM | #175
SWTOR is just a small piece of EA. If EA's stock falls, it's the fault of it's other games and the economy.
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LizardSF
06.22.2012 , 01:51 PM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by SajmanPeetee View Post
As this gentlemen states, the MMO gaming industry as a whole is in decline now mainly because developers continue to push difficulty over enjoyment.
I love it when internet glitches, possibly aided by the LHC finally ramping up to full bore, causes posts to come across from parallel universes. Greetings, strange visitor from a world only slightly separate from our own! Just for entertainment's sake, I thought I'd mention a few bits of helpful trivia: In our world, the year is currently 2012, the President of the United States is Barack Obama, the best movie so far this summer is The Avengers, and MMORPG developers have been constantly and continuously dumbing down gameplay, with each new Triple-A MMO being easier, more forgiving, and more focused on rapid action and constant reward than the last. I'm taking, from your post, that in YOUR world, the opposite is true, and people look back on games like EQ as simplified kiddie fare, compared to the complex, time-consuming, and unforgiving games you must be playing. I'm betting in your SWTOR, there's permadeath, it takes 30 or 40 hours just to get past level 10, and there are many quests, etc, with 48 hour spawn times, not to mention 80+ man raids. Given that, I'm sure it's hard for games in your world to attain any kind of mass market popularity (though since SWTOR exists in your world, maybe it means the people in your world prefer more challenging play -- good on ya, alternate-Earth dude!). Over here on my world (I won't demean you by calling it "Earth 1" or "Earth Prime" or anything which implies it's somehow superior to your own reality), that's just not the case.

BTW, how many episodes did Firefly last in your world? If it was more than 14, do you think you could stream some over to this world while the connection between our realities is open? If you have no idea what a 'Firefly' is, then, damn, I'm sorry -- you live in some kind of hell dimension. That must suck. Firefly was awesome.

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LordKOLZ
06.22.2012 , 01:59 PM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by iskoaya View Post
ROFLMAO HAHAHAHAHA "growing" OH EM GEEE LOWL.... did you miss the part where servers opened for free "transfers" ( move before we move you and drop the server - Merge, anyone?)
lol, and don't forget the fastest game too to lose 400k people in what a matter of 2 or months at max after coming out? The massive free server transfers, every server being dead except fatman and maybe one other on rare occasions. Planets being so empty that it had 1 or 3 people at max. That really does sound like the fastest growing game, wouldn't you agree? lol

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whyzerman
06.22.2012 , 02:18 PM | #178
While I agree that EA stock plummeting isn't something that would be considered SWTOR's fault, it has to have a big impact. I understand there are people who are not upset with the current state of the game. However I am not one of those people.

Let us remember this game released without some of the more basic functions of a loot/ops based MMO:
/roll didn't exist on launch
ready check, still doesn't exist.
target of target didn't exist on launch.
UI customization didn't exist on launch.

And some of the more advanced functions of a loot/ops based MMO:
Guild banks
Invite to ops/party from guild interface (or any right click action for that matter)

And certain things still bug me about this game.
Once you hit max level, there is never a reason to leave fleet except to do your dailies. There are 17 beautiful planets out there in the galaxy far far away, and the majority of people never revisit 13 of those planets (Nar Shaada for the neutral GTN, and Belsavis, Corrilia and Ilum are daily hubs) once they hit max level. There is no traveling off of fleet involved to get to EV, KP and EC. And you wonder why some people get bored with the game? There is a definite lack of content for end game players. Sure there is PVP. Sure there are FP's and ops. But what happens 6 months down the road when you are in full WH/Champion/BH gear, and PVP, FP's and ops no longer offer even a small challenge?

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Dezzi
06.22.2012 , 02:26 PM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by xenotpt View Post
Great post describing disposable gamers. I personally see this pattern happening with every game from now on - Short attention spans and a lack of commitment to anything will hurt MMO's in general. It's also the law of diminishing returns - The first MMO was great, and the second is good, but not as great as the first. Then each subsequent MMO you play is less satisfying, because you get tired of the same thing over and over. Thank goodness this is my first MMO!
I'm not sure which came first: disposable gamers or crap games?
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Tenceriker
06.22.2012 , 02:43 PM | #180
SWTOR was listed by name as its lack of success was one of the two key reasons EA was downgraded to neutral. Dont let the fanboys try and spin the truth.
Relabeling future patches as Expansions, just like EA Louse said a year ago. Who got the last laugh?