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If the game were to go F2P + microtransactions, what will old subs get?

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If the game were to go F2P + microtransactions, what will old subs get?

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Valkirus
06.22.2012 , 07:14 AM | #41
when LOTRO went FTP, my char was level 64. And I was allowed to have 7 char slots. So all my chars and what they had stayed the same. As a prevous subber, I could go anyplace and get all the rewards I had before with any of my chars...up to level 65. It is only any new content which was added after they went to FTP I was restricted to getting unless I paid for them.
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Vankris
06.22.2012 , 07:17 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by KorvusKaar View Post
.I've played F2P games for years and I never had even the slightest inclination to spend any money in the game.
somewhat, i don't think free to play game company would hope to have all or even most their player communities act the same, or they can just go bankrupt right now.

Assuming, for argument sake, 1 millions sub at $15, they need to come up with a model that beat a $15 millions dollars a month.

Free game are good for you, but if it's totally free, how can a company make it a business?
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Suromir
06.22.2012 , 07:17 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by cyberfreaq View Post
All I have to say is this: look at the player numbers in-game. Look at how crowded the ~100 North American servers were in the first few months. And now 10 are left with >= standard population. How can you seriously think that this is not a reason for concern, even from a business standpoint of a developer?

And if we do simple math:
aprox. 200 crowded servers at launch (Europe+North America)
aprox. 20 crowded servers today (Europe+North America)
That means that ~90% of the playerbase left. And there is NO reason for concern? Okay...



Remember that first of all that announcement was made in April.
Second, remember that there are many people (including myself) who are benefiting from the free 30 days offered as a promotion after patch 1.2. These players also count towards the number of total subscribers.



The vast majority of players lose interest in a game after the first few months. Very few have the patience to wait 1 year for a game to become good.
By that time most of them would've moved to a different game already.


Bottom line is if you haven't been able to convince people to stay after the initial launch hype, chances that you will do so after 1 friggin' year are very, very slim?
Let's face it, TOR peaked 4 months ago.
I agree that there is cause for some concern. But you do know that WoW didn't have it's coveted 12million (less now) subs within the first year don't you?

they can bring them back if they do things right. sadly I don't see it happening.

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Leovinus
06.22.2012 , 07:20 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthWoad View Post
I've been playing this game since the day of release. If this game goes F2P and puts in microtransactions, what will the past subscribers get? Will they have to pay for them too? Or do they get them for free?

I dont want some new player buying all of them and then getting better stuff than me, and is further ahead than me in 2 weeks than all of my stuff put together in 6 months. Would they just leave everyone to buy microtransactions or will old players be rewarded or something? Not that im asking for free items, I am simply asking what people think will happen.
Okay, you never once say what "them" is. Will past subscribers get what? Or do they get what for free? You don't want some new player buying all of what and getting better stuff than you?

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KorvusKaar
06.22.2012 , 07:24 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
somewhat, i don't think free to play game company would hope to have all or even most their player communities act the same, or they can just go bankrupt right now.

Assuming, for argument sake, 1 millions sub at $15, they need to come up with a model that beat a $15 millions dollars a month.

Free game are good for you, but if it's totally free, how can a company make it a business?
That's a different argument altogether. My comment was directed at the people saying that F2P is never free...I was merely stating that is can be free if you don't feel the need to have a competitive edge...and don't worry...I was always a minority in those games, most people find it hard to resist a faster mount or gear with a little more sparkle, or even clothes dye. My point was, they weren't forced to spend a dime if they really didn't want to/couldn't afford it.

Also, I wasn't really being cheap...I mostly played the F2Ps when my sub MMO's were on maintenance so I wouldn't have given them much profit anyway as I only played once a week or so...

As for TOR I'll be perfectly fine with MTs (whether the game goes F2P or not) as long as they didn't offer anything I couldn't get by myself ingame...if somebody wants to spend 300€ and get insta-50 and a set of both endgame PVE and PVP gear it's up to them...it won't take away from my satisfaction of acquiring them with "hard work"...sure, they will probably suck (or not, if it's not their first char) but a lot of people suck even when they've done it the "right way"

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Gruug
06.22.2012 , 07:25 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthWoad View Post
I've been playing this game since the day of release. If this game goes F2P and puts in microtransactions, what will the past subscribers get? Will they have to pay for them too? Or do they get them for free?

I dont want some new player buying all of them and then getting better stuff than me, and is further ahead than me in 2 weeks than all of my stuff put together in 6 months. Would they just leave everyone to buy microtransactions or will old players be rewarded or something? Not that im asking for free items, I am simply asking what people think will happen.
If you pay a sub, you do not get anything in game 'for free". If you buy something off a shop, you don't get something for "free". There is no such thing as "free to play".

With that said, a so-called "f2p" model and subs will not work. The value of the game gose down with the addition of a cash shop if you pay a sub OR don't. You will never know what items you would have been getting if you paid just a sub without the shop. And, if you purchase and item off the shop, how much have you been over charged for those pixels? You never know the answer. You are completely at the mercy of the marketers because they can not make money unless you blow YOUR money on trinkets.


Give me an MMO that I can visit and have fun! Where what I pay for is not going to those that play for free.

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Valkirus
06.22.2012 , 07:27 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
somewhat, i don't think free to play game company would hope to have all or even most their player communities act the same, or they can just go bankrupt right now.

Assuming, for argument sake, 1 millions sub at $15, they need to come up with a model that beat a $15 millions dollars a month.

Free game are good for you, but if it's totally free, how can a company make it a business?
Well..I donot know. I do know LOTRO seems to be doing ok. And I heard...I have no link...and am quoting another poster who said LOTRO is very profitable now and Turbine said they have made more money sence they went FTP versus when they had the sub model. *shrugs. I do not want others thinking I support a FTP model. I don'nt. But it would not be right for me to start to shoot down the concept as if it can never work. Because it is clear it has and is now in many cases.
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Taurusaud
06.22.2012 , 07:32 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthWoad View Post
I've been playing this game since the day of release. If this game goes F2P and puts in microtransactions, what will the past subscribers get? Will they have to pay for them too? Or do they get them for free?

I dont want some new player buying all of them and then getting better stuff than me, and is further ahead than me in 2 weeks than all of my stuff put together in 6 months. Would they just leave everyone to buy microtransactions or will old players be rewarded or something? Not that im asking for free items, I am simply asking what people think will happen.
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06.22.2012 , 08:03 AM | #49
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06.22.2012 , 09:17 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by cyberfreaq View Post
The game fails whether you, me of Johnny McFlamer wants it or not. Most people posting on these forums are doing so because they care. If they didn't they would have just unsubbed and left. So those people want the game to get better, more popular and so on. It is their way to express their ideas. The important thing is that they are sticking around.
Subs clearly didn't work out for TOR. And I don't want to hear about "it is normal for people to leave after the initial launch hype."

Sure, if your game is really THAT good, people will find it worth paying for it and stay for months, but most of them didn't.

With the transfers now open, there are ~10 servers on NA and Europe with >= standard population. Every other server is dead.

Were there too many servers on launch? Gosh, I remember a few months back when every one of those servers had at least standard population. So the server number increase was justified. But after that, more than half of the subscriber base has left. It is made clear by the fact that with the transfers, around 20% of the total number of servers have decent population. Where did the 80% go? Sure a game can lose half of the subscribers after the first hype months, but not more than half !

And you guys saying "if you don't like it, leave", do you really want that to happen? Because the population is thin as it is. With even more people leaving it means more lost money. Every 100 players that leave, take ~1500 $ with them, monthly. And that is just for 100 players.
And you are still encouraging people to leave without this game eventually going f2p in order to survive?

Most people have tried the free weekends and the friend trials. Most of them. The last free weekends barely attracted people (there was no significant increase in server population). What makes you think that adding an unlimited 1-15 "trial" would do any better? Because it is basically the same thing.
Those who were curious about TOR, experienced the trial months ago, during the free weekends. There are very few people left, with an actual interest in this game, who haven't tried it already.

Do you really care what happens to TOR, or would you rather see it dead than go a business model that will attract new players? Because this game won't last long with you and the 100 other people paying for it a few months from now.
Great post . I reckon for me the £9 or $15 model should be scrapped a lotta folk are just not interested in subbin anymore for me it isnt an issue but mabay if that cost was half MMO's wouldnt be losing so many players . As for the ftp thing i played LOTRO pretty much from the start and watched a great game go to pot due the the lack of funds/content coming into the game , when they brought the ftp model in lotro it brought a lot of players to the game but for me and most of the older players the damage had already been done through too long term neglect if something had been done earlier it could have been so different for me. For me theres the basis for a great game here but with a few highly anticipated MMO's on the horizon SWTOR for me could struggle to cope .