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SWTOR and the EA stock plummet

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SWTOR and the EA stock plummet

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Sanxxx
06.22.2012 , 12:53 AM | #121
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Point being they won't go F2P until they found out what their flat line number is.
This.....and then it's just a debate about when the flat line will be reached.

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wutru
06.22.2012 , 12:57 AM | #122
EA will ultimately decide what happens to this game. If they don't find it profitable, they will just axe it like they did with their other MMOs.

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Monoth
06.22.2012 , 01:00 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Taurusaud View Post
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...paign=us-daily



EA losing 50% of it's stock value since the SWTOR launch? Ouch. What implications does this have for everybody's favorite MMO in space (besides Eve)?

EA's stock has gone up and down over the years... Here is EA's High's and Lows over the last 3 years

June 2009 - $21.72
June 2010 - $14.40
May 2011 - $24.41
Dec 2011 - $20.60
June 2012 - $12.00

If you look at the 3 year chart EA's stock was going down before SWTOR came out... Also note that 2 years ago EA's stock was close to what is now... Now I can post Intel's Stocks, Nvidia Stocks, etc... and there prices go up and down also... So to try and connect SWTOR as the lone culprit with EA's stock price going down is a bit of a stretch... There are a LOT of factors to why stocks go up or down and it's usually not just one thing...

Also EA's biggest drop was from Sept 2007 to Dec 2008, the stock price during this time went from $56 down to $16
F2P is like driving on a long stretch of highway with toll booths every 1/2 mile

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SajmanPeetee
06.22.2012 , 01:25 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Gungan View Post
Stopped reading when you said Minecraft. Grindiest grind fest with absolutely no instructions for newbies, and you're calling it not overwhelmingly complicated or difficult.

Also, Call of Duty is something wannabe gamers play while they chug Mountain Dew Code Red and screaming racist and sexist remarks at strangers on Xbox Live. It uses the most negatively stereotypical marketing there is.
Minecraft is not complicated. You place blocks and build things, the creatures shoot arrows at you and blow up, it's not overwhelming.

What is wrong with grinds?

People know what they like and if they like something, they will do it over and over again.

The whole 'remove grinds' argument is elitist dribble. These players they rush through all the content than throw their arms up in the air and go 'Now what?'. Well, you can do it again and if you don't want to do it again chances are you didn't enjoy it the first time.

The elitists they enjoy that rush that they get from proving they are better than everyone else, they don't enjoy hard, bang your head on the wall content. You'd have to be a sadist to enjoy some of the content they put in games these days. Diablo 3 Inferno Mode, who enjoys getting 1 shot from creatures they can't even see.

Just look at WoW, 14 million subscribers at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King with its faceroll Heriocs and marginally harder Raids. Here comes Cataclysm with its significantly increased difficulty to Heriocs and near impossible Raids and there goes half the player base overnight.

I'm not saying nerf the difficulty in the game, by all means do not. Leave the harder stuff for players that want the harder stuff, but right now the easiest difficulty in the game is Story Mode and that's too hard for a vast majority of the computer gaming player base.

You need a faceroll difficulty where people could get away with bashing 2 keys on a keyboard and ignoring fight mechanics, if you were to put that into the game I guarantee you subs would increase dramatically.
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Sanxxx
06.22.2012 , 01:30 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by SajmanPeetee View Post
Minecraft is not complicated. You place blocks and build things, the creatures shoot arrows at you and blow up, it's not overwhelming.

What is wrong with grinds?

People know what they like and if they like something, they will do it over and over again.

The whole 'remove grinds' argument is elitist dribble. These players they rush through all the content than throw their arms up in the air and go 'Now what?'. Well, you can do it again and if you don't want to do it again chances are you didn't enjoy it the first time.

The elitists they enjoy that rush that they get from proving they are better than everyone else, they don't enjoy hard, bang your head on the wall content. You'd have to be a sadist to enjoy some of the content they put in games these days. Diablo 3 Inferno Mode, who enjoys getting 1 shot from creatures they can't even see.

Just look at WoW, 14 million subscribers at the end of the Wrath of the Lich King with its faceroll Heriocs and marginally harder Raids. Here comes Cataclysm with its significantly increased difficulty to Heriocs and near impossible Raids and there goes half the player base overnight.

I'm not saying nerf the difficulty in the game, by all means do not. Leave the harder stuff for players that want the harder stuff, but right now the easiest difficulty in the game is Story Mode and that's too hard for a vast majority of the computer gaming player base.

You need a faceroll difficulty where people could get away with bashing 2 keys on a keyboard and ignoring fight mechanics, if you were to put that into the game I guarantee you subs would increase dramatically.
What really annoys me about your post is that in the back of my mind I'm worried that you might be right

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DraonaiMimnov
06.22.2012 , 01:33 AM | #126
Lawl @ the guy who said minecraft was hard. I guess he must be the type of person that cries about SWTOR being too hard to play.

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AlyxDinas
06.22.2012 , 01:34 AM | #127
It's largely symptomatic of the general down trend in the gaming industry in general.
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Vankris
06.22.2012 , 01:41 AM | #128
i am totally ignorant about stock market, but i did some checking on yahoo finance

EA:
30 december: stock value $20.60
now: stock value $12.00

looking at blizzard activision i see
30 december: stock value $12.42
now: stock value $11.44


but i have the feeling one can't compare directly stock value, maybe the number of these actual share does import.


Sound to me that EA was much higher in december and there are now about equal. Keep in mind that electronics arts is present on many franchise (battlefield, EA sports, The Sims, mass effect, need for speed, crysis...) while activision is essentially blizard games and call of duty games (and prototype).
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Anishor
06.22.2012 , 01:44 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by jgelling View Post
The stock market likes the prospect of growth way more than the reality of predictable, stagnant sales. EA's stock ran up a lot on the prospect of 2 - 2.5 million subs netting up to $450 million a year in new, recurring revenue. The margins on those digital subscriptions would have been fantastic.

They ran the stock up to $8 billion in market cap on the prospect of that and their other digital initiatives being huge hits, and in reality the performance of both has been, well, boring. So the stock market would rather go speculate on another frenzied growth story until that bursts too.

The only reason the speculative frenzy might matter to us is if the EA brass decided to slash and burn SWTOR development and hype something else to please investors and save their own jobs - and unfortunately, the huge ginormous layoffs from last month told me - along with EA CEO's comments about how unimportant SWTOR is compared to EA sports - that maybe that's what they're up to. But I'd love to be wrong.
^ This. It's why in the long run why the world economy is gonna be hurting. Too much short term gain and stock inflation while long term vision/gain has been sacrificed for it.. It seems every investor is looking for the get rich quick then moving gains into safe investments with low returns like bonds.
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Kaisernick
06.22.2012 , 03:57 AM | #130
if investors/ EA or however the stock market works beleived that TOR would instantly achive 11 million players like wow then they deserve their loss.

wow didnt achive it level untill at least a year after launch and againg my guess is that EA wanted TOR to be a wow killer which we all kept saying it wouldnt.