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Thoughts on GameSpy's Article on SWTOR

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Dezzi
06.20.2012 , 03:30 PM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
But not a new one. If I recall, City of Heroes was the first to do this.

Essentially, I have a problem with comparing a game to another in the genre instead of the genre as a whole. SW:TOR does things better than GW2. GW2 does things better than SW:TOR. It is asinine to dispute that - almost as asinine as it is for "journalists" to go out of their way to state one-half of the argument for the sake of hits.
You're more than welcome to go write an editorial about it.
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Photoshop
06.20.2012 , 03:32 PM | #202
I'm just looking forward to Star Wars 1313.

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MasterKayote
06.20.2012 , 03:32 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Fox_McCloud View Post
There is a massive difference that you are ignoring, perhaps to suit your own purposes.

The public has played GW2, several times, for long periods of time not just short demos and the general response is that the game is delivering on the promises, living up to the hype, and people cannot wait to get back in.

So yeah.. different situation I am affraid.
What purposes do I have exactly? I always knew what SWTOR was ... I knew id start skipping dialogue sooner or later, I knew the combat was nothing to gawk at, and I always called companions glorified pets (and dislike having to use them to this day). I have no loyalty to Bioware and specially not EA. SWTOR had its beta's as well. Some testers loved it, some didnt ... same as GW2. Bioware may have kept the NDA up for a long time but there were plenty of leaked sites everywhere with literal copies of the beta forums. There is no difference at all, just a different flavor of hype. These writers are writing what will get them the most attention (clicks, hits, whatever) SWTOR is the newest MMO toy out there thats noticeable ... its on the news and still being promoted, GW2 is the next big competitor, you do the math.

Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
The funny is part is that none of the things you mention are a product of hype or being misled. All of that is there. And the perception of those features remains true for a lot of players. For SW:TOR, people were not misled by the developers themselves - they created their own bloated perceptions based on personal, and unrealistic (SW:G fanboys, anyone?) expectations.

If the hype about Guild Wars 2 was to be believed, content would have to be created in real-time as players experience it.
Hype doesnt = false. Any writer worth his salt can take any standard feature and hype it up to no end without saying a single lie. This causes excitement to the readers, getting them more attention. Had the writer actually commented truthfully, compared the games strengths to the best out there ... we probably wouldnt even have this thread right now.

And yes, those features are there but now that the hype is gone people are seeing it as just another mediocre feature and hardly care about it anymore. Before the dialogue meant something in TOR, people loved taking part in it, and playing with the different options. Now is just a repetitive pos that leads to nothing and is being overshadowed but the "short/easy end-game," or the "increasingly stale PvP".... take your pick. Same will happen with GW2 and its hyped up features ... hype will fall, the media drones will move on to comparing Secret World or whichever other MMO to GW2 and we all repeat the process again and again.

Aion had its special PvP promises and "aerial combat,"....
WAR had its PvP, its Public Quests....
AoC had its dialogue, its combat ....
SWTOR had its stories, companions, choices ...
WoW? Had nothing ... "easier leveling maybe?" Yet thats the jackpot winner somehow ...... go figure

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Shingara
06.20.2012 , 03:33 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
I wasn't aware that gear had to have any point beyond appearance, though gear does provide customizable stat bonuses in GW2. That said, gear of your non-modified level drops in "lowbie" areas.

Extremely elegant solution.
so beyond apperance gear is nothing ? why not just go buy costumes from the cash shop there, if its detuning you and auto doing your stats when you go lower and thats classed as endgame what is the point of doing top level where its not tunning you.

All that will happen is there is a fav dynamic event for everyone and they all do that and swamp that event on farm status.
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Lundli
06.20.2012 , 03:35 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by lordofdamornin View Post
Dynamic events were much-lauded in Rift, too. Early on, they were great. The Invasions, even better.

Have you been there lately?
This can't be stressed enough, once the newness wears off people tend to not bother.. to be fair, they had to scale back on things and what they had planned because the engine couldn't cope.

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Muskaan
06.20.2012 , 03:37 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by Lundli View Post
This can't be stressed enough, once the newness wears off people tend to not bother.. to be fair, they had to scale back on things and what they had planned because the engine couldn't cope.
Yep. Once the newness wears off, people will just stop caring.
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06.20.2012 , 03:39 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
so beyond apperance gear is nothing ? why not just go buy costumes from the cash shop there, if its detuning you and auto doing your stats when you go lower and thats classed as endgame what is the point of doing top level where its not tunning you.
Correct, in games where gear isn't the home of your stats. Your gear gives you bonuses in GW2, like it does in any game, but your basic stats are scaled down in PvE and scaled up in PvP. A guy wearing +10 precision gear who is leveled 10 (5) is going to do better than me, as a level 10 (5) in +5 precision gear.
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Bloodstealer
06.20.2012 , 03:40 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
All of which you just wrote still holds true in TOR today. None of that was made up. I love those parts of the game. In my opinion, those 3 things are still big selling points and they are what I love about this game. So, your point is moot, even if you had one.
I think that poster has a good poont and anyone who has been around the MMO block will understand this this... its a decent enought game, largely outdated with poor combat mechaincs and being held together by its VO storyline that grows thin after the 2nd alt... and they think legacy unlocking of playable races is going to appease this... the same tired storylines over and over only serves to accelerat the players desire to space bar through and move on ASAP the next 25% of its player base grows tired of the highly rpetitive worlds they play within... shame really.. decent game that had much potential sadly seems to be facing the big red danger sign by the clifffedge... maybe F2P will be its saviour
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Shingara
06.20.2012 , 03:42 PM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Correct, in games where gear isn't the home of your stats. Your gear gives you bonuses in GW2, like it does in any game, but your basic stats are scaled down in PvE and scaled up in PvP. A guy wearing +10 precision gear who is leveled 10 (5) is going to do better than me, as a level 10 (5) in +5 precision gear.
Your missing the point, Lets make player A, hello player A what are you doing today, Well there mr shingara today i will mainly be buying a karma buff and farming the hell out of the dynamic event in the starter area, doing this i shall get a shed load of karma, gold and item drops.

Really Player A you can do this.

Of course says player A, there is no reason what so ever for me todo top level, i can just sit here and farm this dynamic event and buy gear from the karma i earned, and sell the drops on the auction house. fun itsn it.

No not really says I.
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

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Dezzi
06.20.2012 , 03:43 PM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Your missing the point, Lets make player A, hello player A what are you doing today, Well there mr shingara today i will mainly be buying a karma buff and farming the hell out of the dynamic event in the starter area, doing this i shall get a shed load of karma, gold and item drops.

Really Player A you can do this.

Of course says player A, there is no reason what so ever for me todo top level, i can just sit here and farm this dynamic event and buy gear from the karma i earned, and sell the drops on the auction house. fun itsn it.

No not really says I.
Then don't do it and play the game the same way everyone else will be.
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