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Thoughts on GameSpy's Article on SWTOR

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Thoughts on GameSpy's Article on SWTOR

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Sagimore
06.20.2012 , 12:07 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by aeterno View Post
Gotta give it to GW2, they manage to turn traditional weakness into their strenghts. Or so some say.

No end content in your mmo? booooo. GW2 has no traditional end game content? Thats genious, why hasn't anyone ever thought of that before?!

After the first week people will be complaining that they finished the game. Dont get me wrong I am super casual, but still dont want to feel like I finished the game. And as far as adding content....where is the profit in that for a game that doesn't have a subscription. They make their money on expansions with new content. How they managed to show no end game as a positive is beyond me..Well done.

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Fox_McCloud
06.20.2012 , 12:17 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Sagimore View Post
After the first week people will be complaining that they finished the game. Dont get me wrong I am super casual, but still dont want to feel like I finished the game. And as far as adding content....where is the profit in that for a game that doesn't have a subscription. They make their money on expansions with new content. How they managed to show no end game as a positive is beyond me..Well done.
I think the people who worry about "end game" are really missing the point that GW2 is making.

Those "raids" that people are use to in other MMOs endgame content are experienced at levels 1-80 in GW2, all the way up, and the nature of level scaling and dynamic events means that you are always free and able and challenged to go back through the level 1-80 content and still have fun.

This time you may lose the event against the big dragon attacking a town and so the dragons minions may control the town, where as when you were leveling up you defeated the dragon and the event lead you chasing him back to his cave where all this treasure is.. who knows. Its a living breathing world and playing the game really feels like it.

Raiders raid the same static boss over and over and this is considered end game?

How is that different from participating in GW2s more major event chains that lead to a big boss that you have already done? The answer.. its not in any significant way, other then the fact that dynamic events can actually branch off in different directions depending on success or failure.. for added fun.

It is also important to note that redoing lower level events is still worth while since you get Karma from any level event and karma is a universal currency that allows you to buy gear, so you can still gear up by helping new players with events you have already enjoyed (although a bit slower).

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Sporin
06.20.2012 , 12:19 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyla View Post
I disagree with the #1, I prefer SWTOR's way and really GW2 VO are horrible.
Yeah it's great being railroaded into choices that you would never pick, say or do, only to find out it didn't matter anyway cus the outcome was the same and you MUST pick one, cus we wouldn't want NOT to be a clone or a member of the Dark Council (It must have more seats than Cowboys Stadium! Lol).
Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most!

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Elhanan
06.20.2012 , 12:23 PM | #74
When objectivity appears to have been removed as early as the title, why bother reading? Next....
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Mikeni
06.20.2012 , 12:27 PM | #75
SWTOR won't die. It's just obviously not for everyone.

Some people tried to force themselves to get into the Star Wars lore and storyline prior to playing SWTOR only to realize that they didn't like SW's story enough to justify looking at all of those cuts cenes. They realized that they would be much happier playing a fantasy based game such as WoW, Tera, GW2.

Sci Fi (Even Star Wars) isn't going to guarantee you 10 million subscribers. The game has to be based on something that MMORPG players have shown they love the most. Generic High-Fantasy Worlds. They want Elves and Orcs and Goblins and Dwarves. Perhaps the prospect of playing an Alien in SWTOR hyped them up enough to buy the game. But once they realized how alike all of the races looked, and how none of them have pointy ears, they soon turned away from the game.

Will SWTOR die? No.

Final Fantasy XIV isn't dead yet and that game was arguably the biggest failure there ever was or ever will be in MMORPG history, and it's still around some how. Gearing itself up for a full revival and re-release in 2013. If a game like that refuses to die, then SWTOR won't be dying any time soon either.

GW2 will come and go. People will either love it or hate it. When the next big fantasy MMORPG comes out you'll see GW2 haters line up to talk smack about the game they bought and played for months so that they can hype up the shiny new never-been-touched new car smell MMORPG that is just around the block.

I think I like where I'm at. I've been a huge Star Wars fan for a long time, and I've grown tired of all fantasy except some Dark Fantasy. So here is where I shall stay.

Don't worry, I'll leave a seat warm for you guys if you ever come back.

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metalgearyoda
06.20.2012 , 12:29 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Fox_McCloud View Post
Hi everyone,

An article was posted a few days ago on gamespy dealing with their thoughts about SWTOR current state:

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/guild-wars-2/1225122p1.html

The article was a follow up from one they wrote back when the game was released, or maybe slightly before. It seems their writer was pretty spot on with concerns mentioned in Nov of 2011:

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo...1212884p1.html


Do you agree with Gamespy or does SWTOR have what it takes to compete with upcoming MMORPGS? I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

Is it just me or does the author sound desperate? Almost like he is trying to convince himself that gw2 is awesome and the hate swell that is building on its forums is going to just go away?
Ganking leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to pvp.
The Swtor forum attracts trolls because the forums are more fun than raiding dragon soul.
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Mikeni
06.20.2012 , 12:32 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by metalgearyoda View Post
Is it just me or does the author sound desperate? Almost like he is trying to convince himself that gw2 is awesome and the hate swell that is building on its forums is going to just go away?
The only person that can convince you to enjoy or not enjoy a game is yourself. So I'd say yes, he's trying really hard to convince himself that GW2 is awesome, has a better community, better storytelling, better lore, better combat, better features, more content, a more vibrant world, a richer deeper leveling system, it will wash your car, feed your baby at 4am, and get your carpets cleaned for you twice a year.

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Shingara
06.20.2012 , 12:34 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Mikeni View Post
The only person that can convince you to enjoy or not enjoy a game is yourself. So I'd say yes, he's trying really hard to convince himself that GW2 is awesome, has a better community, better storytelling, better lore, better combat, better features, more content, a more vibrant world, a richer deeper leveling system, it will wash your car, feed your baby at 4am, and get your carpets cleaned for you twice a year.
Ow i wish that were true, how many films or games have you tried because it had rave reviews from magazines, tv and friends and then you see it and think what am i watching/playing. This aint about enjoying, this is about getting or seeing it in the 1st place. Bums on seats makes money.
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Dezzi
06.20.2012 , 12:34 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Kharnis View Post
I have to admit, that's pretty damning criticism. "Despite the fact that we don't feel the need to talk one-on-one with other players, it doesn't matter because it's not needed."

There is nothing more stinging than having a reviewer say, "My friends may not like no end-game, but I think it's so brilliant that I'll put it as my number four reason why this game is going to be better than another game." Clearly, ArenaNet's devs took a mighty body blow with that one.

But this? This was the worst of them all. "It'll be a problem if they can't accomplish this, but I know they will, and that leads me nicely to my final point about why this game is better." Whew. Even I felt that one, and I don't even work for ArenaNet. I don't know how the game will recover from these points, but I'm suddenly worried for the future of GW2.
Yeah, take what he said out of context and then completely change the character of his claims to suit your own arguments. Very good way to debate.

Why do the criticism have to be "damning" for them to matter to you?

You can claim you're just being sarcastic, but the message behind your post is clear: "SWTOR can do no wrong and the author who wrote this article is just a mean doo-doo face for hating on it." Got it.
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metalgearyoda
06.20.2012 , 12:35 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
Ow i wish that were true, how many films or games have you tried because it had rave reviews from magazines, tv and friends and then you see it and think what am i watching/playing. This aint about enjoying, this is about getting or seeing it in the 1st place.
http://mega64.com/2012/04/03/modern-...ism-the-movie/

Watch this.
Ganking leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to pvp.
The Swtor forum attracts trolls because the forums are more fun than raiding dragon soul.
Complaining is the new meta game.