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RP-PvP "Lord Calypho" - Excluded from Transfers...

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RP-PvP "Lord Calypho" - Excluded from Transfers...
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Deveron
06.19.2012 , 08:16 PM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Transfer other French and German RP-PVP servers to LC.;

Terrible idea.
Coming Soon - Automated group finder. A pick up group created by an in-game tool that could partner two people that cannot speak to the rest of the group at all is a bad idea. There are different permutations. Two Germans with a French and Englishman, none of those players players speak the others languages to any acceptable degree, so on and so forth. Very possible, very bad.
There are over 200 different languages spoken in the EU region. I don't think that these particular two - that happen to have localised version of SW:ToR - will cause any more trouble than the others.

And even though most of our governments try really hard to dismantle our education systems, so they can finally sell education to the rich and have a comfortable mass of poor and dumb to exploit, English is not only taught everywhere, but spoken and understood by quite a lot of people. Especially those that are younger and have an internet gaming hobby.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Transfer people to LC;

It may be too late. A lot of transfers have gone ahead. The simplest of ones granted. Someone mentioned seven servers left awaiting transfers but this still seems unlikely, even if tomb is pretty full.
Not everyone has transferred already. And opening up transfers from other servers, even if not many people use it, would at least be a sign for Bioware having an interest in keeping the service of a RP-PvP server. This certainly would raise the spirits and encourage people to roll on a RP-PvP.

From Biowares current inactivity one would rather take this service is to be terminated.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Transfer to NA servers;

While I did try it out briefly and didn't suffer any major lag, that is not to say other connections won't. Too difficult scenario to technically gauge correctly.
I have ~200 ping to east coast servers. In PvE this is almost not noticeable, thanks to the combat and skill delay that's coded in. In PvP it may be different. You can compete, but you'll be at a slight disadvantage and for ranked WZ this might be too big.

On a RP-PvP ranked rating shouldn't matter that much to most, but we don't have to stray so far anyways, as I've pointed out that if we just squeeze two additional non-english communities on one server, we all can stay in Éire.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Multiple server choice;

So far every server transfer has only had one option. This may be technically related. I'm only guessing. Still they seem to have had generally a good technical success rate with the transfer of characters (names being the issue.)

Transfer to PVP server only;

Those that RP would feel aggrieved. Whether RP is active or not is irrelevant. Some would feel the additional maturity of those that choose an RP server is greater than the need for open PVP.

Transfer to RP server only;

Those that want PVP would feel aggrieved. It seems that many feel PVP is a personal choice whether it is very available in the game or not.
I'm pretty sure when Bioware stops offering RP-PvP servers, they will allow transfers and making more options available for transfers will be reimbursement for the preferred server style lost, especially since there's people with different playstyles. That's the nature of the hybrid beast.


Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
My suggestion;

Staggered transfer. Not necessarily the best solution. Week one, offer transfer to PVP server. Week two, offer transfer to RP server. This however proclaims that there pretty much will be NO RP-PVP server in Europe. Sounds like a failure. Which they do have to look at. Also they have the logistics of making it well publicised so that people can make the right choice.
Yep, for some strange reason I still won't let go, even though I do not have that much to lose ( A Legacy 7). Which is why I'm against transfers off the servers and rather see a RP-PvP destination server for all others.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Conclusion ;

It's really not as simple as people make out. They need to make the right decision. The right decision generally is not a quick one. People scream for answers, the answer was they are discussing the possibilities. It is not a decision that should be taken lightly. There is no quick fix. Just read this thread, see the back-biting and hate and realise that whatever solution will cause people complaining.
Actually it is. It boils down to either close the servers and manage the refugees or recreate one viable RP-PvP that fits their "mega-server" concept. Discussing does not help at this point. They have to solve the problem now.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
Criticism fine. As it should be, be constructive if you want to actually continue playing the game. If you are unsubbing, fine, have a little dignity to go with it. Explain rationally why and then do it or don't. The 'I'm unsubbing unless x happens by date y' makes things look a little childish. Get a grip.
People were constructive, polite and very, very patient. But being left outside and in the unknown for this long time is disrespectful and an easy to comprehend reason for all the anger.

Maybe it would not have been so bad, if they actually had interacted and lead a discussion with everyone here instead of behind closed doors. If they don't let anybody in on their reasoning and thoughts, how can you expect people to understand there's no result from all those secret meetings.

So everyone has got to be under the impression there's noone who really cares.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lamech View Post
TLDR. Then don't bother commenting . If you haven't read it and only read a sentence then you are taking out of context.

Rational thoughts people.
I concur.

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Davelakos
06.19.2012 , 09:49 PM | #232
I kinda think that this whole 3 rp-pvp servers has started feeling like the greece economy problem...

Let's just wait and chill ppl. I mean if till 1.3 Transfers have not opened they know and we know that 90% of the servers population will quit.

If this is their decision let it be. But personally i think it will be solved till then.

On the other hadn i was hopping I would rule the galaxy one day...
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misterME
06.20.2012 , 12:16 AM | #233
Quote: Originally Posted by Davelakos View Post
I kinda think that this whole 3 rp-pvp servers has started feeling like the greece economy problem...

Let's just wait and chill ppl. I mean if till 1.3 Transfers have not opened they know and we know that 90% of the servers population will quit.

If this is their decision let it be. But personally i think it will be solved till then.

On the other hadn i was hopping I would rule the galaxy one day...
If it takes until 1.3 to fix the problem, fine. But at the very least they could tell us that. Silence speaks volumes. I find it hard to believe that they are intentionally pissing us off. But that just means they're really out of touch with how their refusal to communicate effectively is affecting us as loyal players and paying customers.

We are obviously concerned. Playing on a dead server is no fun. Continuing to build our legacies on a server which very well might be left out of transfers altogether is pointless. And imagining a scenario where we might actually have to pay extra money to remedy their oversight is downright insulting. Addressing these concerns, with something more than "We're still thinking about it because we're too clueless to have come up with a solution beforehand" is not effectively addressing the issue.


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Twin
06.20.2012 , 12:44 AM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by Drom View Post
Lamech: are you trying to suggest that they had not enough time to decide? Not enough time??? The transfer system is way more tam month old! a month! How long do you need for this simple problem to solve?
Exactly. This whole diskussion should have taken place before they started working on the transfer systems. At this point they deserve nothing but critisism for the mismanagement they are conducting. They had a chance to handle this properly, but decided to not communicate with us before it allready was too late.

What is happening now is the consequence of that. You reap what you sow.
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Cootiepwease
06.20.2012 , 01:10 AM | #235
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin View Post
Exactly. This whole diskussion should have taken place before they started working on the transfer systems. At this point they deserve nothing but critisism for the mismanagement they are conducting. They had a chance to handle this properly, but decided to not communicate with us before it allready was too late.

What is happening now is the consequence of that. You reap what you sow.
In the meantime, somebody from CS is working because they've got somebody removing posts in this thread they've deemed "off topic". Criticizing Bioware, it seems, is a sure way to post something off-topic. So it would seem Bioware DOES care. They care about getting our money and what we say about them. I'm sorry but they are doing nothing but showing us more reasons why we SHOULDN'T be playing SWTOR anymore. Not because it's a bad game. It's a great game, it's just too bad Bioware is it's "home" and EA are the parents.

We've asked for transfers, we've discussed how we'd like that. There is NO CS rep discussing ANYTHING back to us. We are left in the dark. I'm sorry but isn't the topic really about excluding RP-PvP players from the free transfers? It's not our fault this topic has now moved into just GENERAL exclusion. Bioware, as Twin said; you reap what you sow.

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Jerro
06.20.2012 , 02:13 AM | #236
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We've asked for transfers, we've discussed how we'd like that. There is NO CS rep discussing ANYTHING back to us.
So true right now it feels like a monolog not a discussion. We are not asking for the impossible or miracles here. But this silence show us that Bioware think it is what we are asking for. If they just share some information most people will be constructive and helpfull. In this thread there been several options and suggestions about how we should proceed, that was what Joveth asked for earlier. To continue this "discussion" we need to know what they think is viable solutions (the silence tells me, no one is going to be happy about it). Else we just gonna fill another thread with anger and frustration and nothing will come out of it. If the CS reps are afraid that they will be mocked and ridiculed, they have created this situation themselves. I think it is time for someone to take the nightshift in Austin, Texas and start talking.

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al-mar
06.20.2012 , 02:40 AM | #237
you see whats happening here?
making us quitting the game, makes BW close the server without any issues or regrets...

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Twin
06.20.2012 , 03:10 AM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by al-mar View Post
you see whats happening here?
making us quitting the game, makes BW close the server without any issues or regrets...
Everyone wont quit, and the negative feedback and cancelled subs should concern bw. Their mmo rep isnt very good, and ignoring us like this will only hurt themselves further. i sure as he** will make an effort to campaign against bw if they dont offer a solution, wether im subbed of not.
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Davelakos
06.20.2012 , 03:17 AM | #239
In simple numbers they actually treat the 95% of their customers in one way and the 5% in another. I do not say they not gonna fix it. But the fact and only they did so for these 2 weeks can not change.

i am sure before 1.3 all will be fixed and so on. But the dmg is allready done. They can not change the fact they actually decided to treat equal paying customers in 2 different ways:P
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Kaytfoh
06.20.2012 , 03:57 AM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by Notannos View Post
Greetings folks!

We recently had to remove several posts from this thread. In some instances posts had to be removed as replies to moderated posts.

As a gentle reminder to everyone, please remember the following:
  • Insults - Please do not resort to or use them in any way in your posts. Posts should be productive, not destructive.
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That's all well and good but if we could be provided with an actual concrete answer in regards to what is going to happen to us you might not have people that are so frustrated that they break the rules. When I see a yellow post in this thread all I expect from it is a "we are looking at the options" or a "we are still looking at the options" it does not take a week to make a decision - regardless of if you have a team A to Z. You only need a team to think up the options, and another team to implement it.

If server transfers are really so much of a problem, allow us to create a character on another server, make it level 50 and give us full legacy level as a thank you for staying with you through an experience we could have unsubbed over many times the past, most of us are holding on to the hope things will get better, but its not so far and patience will run out.

This game will not last like this, it will die even more to GW2 and Elder scrolls online so please get your act together and actually please your customers.