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Vig guardian = the most worthless class I've ever played

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Vig guardian = the most worthless class I've ever played

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Skroting
06.16.2012 , 04:17 PM | #81
No, he says that he doesn't like the way it feels, he still hasn't said it's a bad ability : /

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Darkshadz
06.16.2012 , 04:25 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Skroting View Post
No, he says that he doesn't like the way it feels, he still hasn't said it's a bad ability : /
I know he didn't say it was a bad ability. However, for 1 vs 1, he says it's disruptive and I disagree with that. I re-edited my post earlier to better explain what I mean.

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Aerion
06.16.2012 , 05:01 PM | #83
I said that I think it's disruptive of the flow of the class, it just feels like you have to stop fighting for one GCD to buy some time, I had prefered a skill like the Sentinels Leg Slash in its place, or, like I said, a passive speed increase, despite, maybe even because, how powerful this ability can be in a teamfight.
Seriously it was just a small remark that spiraled out of control, something that's quite unusual for this forum.
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GarfieldJL
06.16.2012 , 05:38 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerion View Post
I said that I think it's disruptive of the flow of the class, it just feels like you have to stop fighting for one GCD to buy some time, I had prefered a skill like the Sentinels Leg Slash in its place, or, like I said, a passive speed increase, despite, maybe even because, how powerful this ability can be in a teamfight.
Seriously it was just a small remark that spiraled out of control, something that's quite unusual for this forum.
Actually it's rather common for this forum...

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Darkshadz
06.16.2012 , 05:40 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerion View Post
I said that I think it's disruptive of the flow of the class, it just feels like you have to stop fighting for one GCD to buy some time, I had prefered a skill like the Sentinels Leg Slash in its place, or, like I said, a passive speed increase, despite, maybe even because, how powerful this ability can be in a teamfight.
Seriously it was just a small remark that spiraled out of control, something that's quite unusual for this forum.
Little facts about sentinels since you definitely don't have one:
watchman sentinels don't use leg slash at all! The inflammation talent adds a snare effect to cauterize. As for combat sentinels, not only they have a passive speed with Ataru thanks to the defensive forms (when using the Ataru form) they can also make both master strike and crippling throw root their target if you get the talents for it. The only tree that COULD make a good use of leg slash is focus. BTW leg slash also uses a GCD.

So what you're suggesting would gimp guardians. The only half-decent idea you proposed would be to add a passive speed increase but they would need to add root abilities/talents like combat sentinels. Do I want BW to remove the best snare in the game (that doesn't break CCs like leg slash) for that? No thanks, that would be stupid!

What's unusual are people suggesting dumb changes to abilities that works just fine.

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Aerion
06.16.2012 , 06:07 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Actually it's rather common for this forum...
Yeah i know, but as a german I'm legally obligated to include a line of sarcasm into anything I say, which is, incidentally, probably a bad idea on this forum.

Quote: Originally Posted by Darkshadz View Post
Little facts about sentinels since you definitely don't have one:
watchman sentinels don't use leg slash at all! The inflammation talent adds a snare effect to cauterize. As for combat sentinels, not only they have a passive speed with Ataru thanks to the defensive forms (when using the Ataru form) they can also make both master strike and crippling throw root their target if you get the talents for it. The only tree that COULD make a good use of leg slash is focus. BTW leg slash also uses a GCD.
Come on seriously? How did you get from me using "like the Sentinels Leg Slash" as an example to, "Leg Slash is the only slow Sentinels have and it doesn't trigger GCD", also the fact that you mentioned that Leg Slash triggers GCD proves that you still haven't understand what I am trying to say, and I don't know how to get any clearer.
But incidentally your right in one point: I don't have a Sentinel, I like their playstyle, maybe even more than the current Guardian style, but two lightsabers just look silly to me.

Quote: Originally Posted by Darkshadz View Post
What's unusual are people suggesting dumb changes to abilities that works just fine.
Really? By my count every second thread is about just that.
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Darkshadz
06.16.2012 , 06:20 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerion View Post
I said that I think it's disruptive of the flow of the class, it just feels like you have to stop fighting for one GCD to buy some time, I had prefered a skill like the Sentinels Leg Slash in its place, or, like I said, a passive speed increase, despite, maybe even because, how powerful this ability can be in a teamfight.
Seriously it was just a small remark that spiraled out of control, something that's quite unusual for this forum.
Explain the bolded part to me then. Speak human, not politician. Keep things simple.

edit: My earlier post simply explained why freezing force > leg slash. I think you're struggling with your english but I can understand that since you're german.

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Aerion
06.16.2012 , 06:24 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerion View Post
... has no other point than keeping you in combat range...
...it just feels like you have to stop fighting...
...I just don't like the way this function is implemented into the Guardians skillset...
Get it now? I simply don't like how it is just a slow as opposed to an attack that slows or a passive that would make slows unnecessary.
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Darkshadz
06.16.2012 , 06:27 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerion View Post
Get it now?
I got it since the beginning and I explained why I disagree with you. You, on the other hand, didn't get any of my posts at all.

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Aerion
06.16.2012 , 06:50 PM | #90
Come on, suggesting that I have trouble understanding you because I'm not a native speaker? That's a low blow.
I do understand that you are saying that Freezing Force has adventages over Leg Slash and i don't disagree with that, I simply say that I, personally, had prefered a different approach to give the Guardian an ability to prevent kiting, no matter whenever it would have made him better or worse. It was from the very beginnig just a offhand remark about how I feel about, how this skill affects the way the Guardians handling feels.
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